Protesting Frontlines

[Rawk]

I'd also like to clarify that it's not so much the loss of morale stat, as it is losing the hard-worked PvP gear. If they decided to tweak morale to be more fair, they also need to include some type of advantage to PvP gear over PvE gear. I think that most people who disagree didn't spend months in wolves den grinding gear under the assumption that it's PvP gear to be used in the highly teased Frontline PvP.

Also people overestimate PvP gear and morale stat anyway. Seriously, an ilvl70 pvp geared player versus a ilvl100 player can still win. I also know of a R30 healer who played in PvE gear and did extremely well. I got paired up with him often.

Because your inexperienced in pvp and you assume we have this ungodly advantage you seem to think it's fair that our rewards for PvPing mean nothing. We usually beat people like you because we're skilled in PvP *gasp* we actually play it.

Also, I do feel entitled to my pvp gear. It's not whining.

[Avirex92]

I"m sorry, but i've seen the same point of 'it's all about skill, not equipment' which i find to be completely crap. If I PVP my GF (R1) against me (R17) in lvl 30 PVP (where morale has NO EFEECT due to lvl sync) I will still destroy her due to the enhancements on my PVP abilities. So please stop thinking it's all about gear. SE should have made frontline just like wolves den: lvl 30 and 40 matches were morale does not play a role and the people new to it can learn it, and at lvl 50 let those of use that have PVP gear really cut loose and have fun. So, if you want to make frontline fair, SE had better remove all of our PVP skills and enhancements too.

[FallenHero]

You guys need to cool your jets, it is way to early to be getting the pitchforks out. Having a form of PvP with no gear advantage so everyone can gear up without getting stomped for a month straight is a good thing. However I can see that the hardcore PvPers wanted this to be the endgame hardcore PvP not the starter version.

How do you know that they're not going to add a ranked queue with morale? You dont. So stop jumping to conclusions and being a bunch of entitled crybabies.

[Rawk]

You guys need to cool your jets, it is way to early to be getting the pitchforks out. Having a form of PvP with no gear advantage so everyone can gear up without getting stomped for a month straight is a good thing. However I can see that the hardcore PvPers wanted this to be the endgame hardcore PvP not the starter version.

How do you know that they're not going to add a ranked queue with morale? You dont. So stop jumping to conclusions and being a bunch of entitled crybabies.

Actually you do have a good point. Originally I wanted to make it known that I dislike the changes that we think we know are coming, and IF it happens then I'll be mad.
However, your right, we;ll have to wait to see it officialy released or more information that leaks out.

[Ransu]

Think about it.

You spent 3 months to get your novus weapon, hours farming fates, doing brayflox, killing thousand enemies around Eorzea and get your weapon.
Then, after all your effort, SE choose to remove novus weapon because are powerful and broke the game. What will you feel?

I spent one month and half, people did fates and brayflox farm and i played pvp 4 hours or more each day. Now, all my efforts is not rewarded in frontline because the pvp gear is useless.

Ok, we have wolves' den, but, who will queue again? A new player will go to frontlines so queue will be more long in wolves' den and players focused on pvp are a few compared pve.

Are you new to mmo's? PvE players literally go through this process every few months when new tiers of gear come out and even more so when an expansion comes out.

[Orophin]

For what it's worth, this is how it worked in WoW. People did the BGs to get marks to get gear, then did the Arenas to get better gear. The latter part of that is what's lacking right now. The best PvP gear should only come from Wolves' Den.

People quitting over PvP in a Final Fantasy game of all things is pretty silly though. Anyone who played FF11 knew that PvP was little more than a side diversion. The last thing I think of when I play a FF game is PvP.

[Avirex92]

The best PvP gear should only come from Wolves' Den.

The best gear should only come from wolves den? i think you ment to say "PvP gear is only useful in Wolves' Den". I mean it's not like frontline is classified as large-scale PvP so why should PvP gear be useful there too.....ooh wait......

[Destain]

Think about it.

You spent 3 months to get your novus weapon, hours farming fates, doing brayflox, killing thousand enemies around Eorzea and get your weapon.
Then, after all your effort, SE choose to remove novus weapon because are powerful and broke the game. What will you feel?

Kinda like someone that had their relic in 1.0 and defeated Darnus then had the relic quest change into something that could be done in 2 hours and the white raven earring become a vanity piece. Oh wait that happened but we were okay with it because we knew changing it would bring in NEW players.

I don't play PVP but I will play front lines. Bottom line you assumed ranking up in Wolfes Den(PVP Deathmatch) would carry over to Front lines (PVP objective) and want to throw a fit now that you know it doesn't and all that time spent win trading accounts for nothing.

I'd prefer no PVP in this game period because they had to make gear stats bland as shit in order to accommodate for that aspect of the game.

[rappa]

Assuming all pvp players are wintraders is like think all pve players are carried by FC selling runs.

Ok, Spent one month collecting Alexandrites, spend money to level the glyph to get your 40 parry in your animus weapon.
After that, without a notification, just a live letter, you will have notice you will lose that parry in your gear if enter in Third Coil.

Your curtana with 40 parry and 20 accuracy, lose all the parry. But not only the weapon, all gear you have.
Outside Coil you have got 530 parry, but inside The new Coil, you get 341 (parry base).
You spent 2 month farming Second coil for nothing because all that gear is useless in the new content to help you.

Do you see the comparison?

[Edenlys]

Kinda like someone that had their relic in 1.0 and defeated Darnus then had the relic quest change into something that could be done in 2 hours and the white raven earring become a vanity piece. Oh wait that happened but we were okay with it because we knew changing it would bring in NEW players.

I don't play PVP but I will play front lines. Bottom line you assumed ranking up in Wolfes Den(PVP Deathmatch) would carry over to Front lines (PVP objective) and want to throw a fit now that you know it doesn't and all that time spent win trading accounts for nothing.

I'd prefer no PVP in this game period because they had to make gear stats bland as shit in order to accommodate for that aspect of the game.

Try second coil with i55 gear, it's the same, you want pvp, you have to farm exp and gear... I guess, everyone can understand this