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  1. #131
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    Grizzlebeard's Avatar
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    Fey Darkwalker
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    Excalibur
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    Pugilist Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Jaykos View Post
    For the people that thought a stat which increases ranged attack damage was going to increase damage with a class that uses daggers yes it was.
    Well, it'll more than likely end up with your post being reported as spam and deleted then your actual message will be completely lost.

    Still, your call.
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  2. #132
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    Tashigi's Avatar
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    Nico Robin
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    Cactuar
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    Blacksmith Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Jaykos View Post
    For the people that thought a stat which increases ranged attack damage was going to increase damage with a class that uses daggers yes it was.
    So basically, SE confirms what we already knew: SE is taking the lazy/boring route.
    End of story, no need to spam with nonsense. You'll just get a warning or possibly a ban over nothing.
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  3. #133
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    lololink's Avatar
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    Nel Artux
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    Asura
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    Gladiator Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Grizzlebeard View Post
    That right there has me concerned. There's a disconnect the size of a small galaxy between the reality of what players enjoy and what S-E believes to be the case.

    Also, really necessary to insert all those pictures?
    I have fun collecting weapons, of course i don't farm them but i like having a lot of them for vanity. If i find a new outfit and my weapon doesn't go well with it maybe a primal weapon can.
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  4. #134
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    LineageRazor's Avatar
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    Lineage Razor
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    Gilgamesh
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    Goldsmith Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Naoki Yoshida, producer
    First off, because the class is going to be a melee DPS-type class, that gear that you have for other melee DPS classes and jobs is probably something that you'll want to hold on to. On the other hand, weapons are all going to be new because it's going to be a special type -- the dual wield. While you can use existing gear, the weapons will be all new and players can have fun collecting them. As for the special and Primal weapons, there will be rogue and ninja versions .
    Well, this does give us ONE way to prepare: Gatherers, start gathering ore. Blacksmiths, start stocking up on metals. Dual-wield weapons are probably going to be made of metal, and are probably going to be crafted by Blacksmiths. With half of every server trotting out NINs, you can bet that HQ dual-wields will be flying off the shelves...

    Hopefully, once Musketeers come out, some other class will get a piece of the action - Woodworking is a possibility since many rifles are partially made of wood; Goldsmith is another possibility, due to them dealing with intricate machinery. Or, dare I hope, the under-utilized Alchemist, because of the explosives involved?
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    Last edited by LineageRazor; 06-14-2014 at 04:52 AM.

  5. #135
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    ZReport's Avatar
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    Sho Ryuuken
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    Excalibur
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    Armorer Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Jaykos View Post
    For the people that thought a stat which increases ranged attack damage was going to increase damage with a class that uses daggers yes it was.
    Not needed. Also is shows you have general incompetence on how development works. They could simply make Dual Wield damage be based on DEX. Yoshida even claims it to be a special weapon type. If this is not the case, nothing is stopping them from making DEX affect these weapons regardless of the type.

    Either way, both STR and DEX exist on much of the DPS gear, so most people who level DRG, BRD and/or MNK and are interested in NIN are pretty much covered.

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    Point I'm trying to make is, no one knows what the job will entail as far as abilities, or how stats will affect said abilities. NIN might be STR based, and have abilities primarily affected by DEX. It might have a special weapon type, of which the damage is tied to DEX. It might be STR based as normal. It might not. No one knows.

    However, I'll tell you what -- someone on reddit just recently found that there have been Rogue traits added to the game's data files already. And with those traits DEX traits were added as well. Anyone can see it themselves on FFXIVDB under 2.28 Abilities.
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    Last edited by ZReport; 06-14-2014 at 06:33 AM.

  6. #136
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    Vallug's Avatar
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    Dark Falcon
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    Malboro
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    Lancer Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by LineageRazor View Post
    Well, this does give us ONE way to prepare: Gatherers, start gathering ore. Blacksmiths, start stocking up on metals. Dual-wield weapons are probably going to be made of metal, and are probably going to be crafted by Blacksmiths. With half of every server trotting out NINs, you can bet that HQ dual-wields will be flying off the shelves...
    Erg..I think my Ninja will have really bad weapons then..I refuse to buy stuff before max level. Maybe my FC leader will make me some like she has before.
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  7. #137
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    Cerisa Lambert
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    Brynhildr
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    Lancer Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Jaykos View Post
    I think this just needs to be mentioned again for the people adamant it was a dex based class.
    Most physical DPS gear sub-50 has both STR and DEX on it, barring the heavier stuff for LNC/DRG.

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  8. #138
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    Felis's Avatar
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    Skadi Felis
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    Ragnarok
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    Pugilist Lv 70
    I doubt that Ninja can wear the Fuma set from CT.
    Monk have it own CT set, Dragoon have it own CT set, Bard have it own CT set and Ninja would also get his own CT set.
    Only CT sets that get shared between different jobs are Healer set, Mage set and Tank set

    Quote Originally Posted by LineageRazor View Post
    Hopefully, once Musketeers come out, some other class will get a piece of the action - Woodworking is a possibility since many rifles are partially made of wood; Goldsmith is another possibility, due to them dealing with intricate machinery. Or, dare I hope, the under-utilized Alchemist, because of the explosives involved?
    DoH for finished guns woul be blacksmith (the other DoH classes would only craft parts)
    It is in the fires and on the anvils of blacksmiths that weapons and tools of metal are crafted. Their work is in demand far and wide, whether it be hammering the blade of a sword at the forge, or whetting the edge of an axe at camp.
    Limsa Lominsa has been renowned for its blacksmithing tradition since antiquity, though the advanced metallurgical techniques passed on today bear little resemblance to the simple practices of ancient times. The relatively recent birth of firearms has created an entirely new area of expertise which is being adopted with fervor by many ambitious smiths.
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    Last edited by Felis; 06-14-2014 at 09:14 AM.

  9. #139
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    Omegakiyohime's Avatar
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    Sasch'a Maruhime
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    Leviathan
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    Arcanist Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Felis View Post
    I doubt that Ninja can wear the Fuma set from CT.
    Monk have it own CT set, Dragoon have it own CT set, Bard have it own CT set and Ninja would also get his own CT set.
    Monk and Dragoon have differing sets because they have different defense priorities in their sets. Matching up ilvl to ilvl, Mnk has an equal amount of physical and magic defense, while Drg has more physical defense, but less magic defense than a mnk. Seems pointless, but it's a reoccurring element when the devs. implement gear for mnk and drg. Idk if they will connect Nin to Mnk, but their is a design reason behind giving mnk and drg differing sets (defense priorities) that might not be there when assigning gear to NIN.
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  10. #140
    Player RyuDragnier's Avatar
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    Hayk Farsight
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    Exodus
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    Dark Knight Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Jaykos View Post
    For the people that thought a stat which increases ranged attack damage was going to increase damage with a class that uses daggers yes it was.
    In most RPGs, DEX is often both the normal DEX and AGL. Meaning both hand speed and body speed. Ninjas have both, and rather than add a new stat to the game which would result in a massive change across the board in what each piece of equipment's primary and secondary stats would be, it'd be far easier to just make it run off DEX and save the trouble. Not to mention Ninjas throw Kunai (DEX based), and use hand signs (DEX) to use various Ninjutsu. DEX being their primary stat is pretty much an obvious guess to many.
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