MNK - Hundred Fists, haste, and other abilities

[einwol]

Has anyone seen any info on if MNK will get hundred fists. It was used on me during one of my quests and I got excited. I didnt see anything about anywhere though. Then it got me thinking about how npc's will use haste and en-spells. Maybe the next healer will be like RDM and be able to buff us. Are there more abilities that npcs have that we don't?

Thoughts?

[Donjo]

Here's some abilities that seem like we'd be able to use them:

Fire/Blizzard/Thunder IV: Voidsent enemies have already used Void versions of these abilities.
Haste: Buffy buffy.
Slow Spell: Instead of skills that happen to cause Slow and Shadow Flare, the actual "Slow" spell.
Inspirit: Increase Skill/Spell speed of self. Seems like a useful thing to cross-class from something else later on.
Darkness: We can use Holy. Where's the opposite?
Hundred Fists: Monks had it in 1.0. It ought to return... eventually?
That ability enemy lancers use to AOE in the four Cardinal directions: Yes please?
Shell: Scholars just have Protect while White Mages have Proshell. Perhaps another healer will just have Shell and both it and Scholar can carry Protect and Shell at once?

Here's some abilities that I don't think we'll get:

The En- spells: There's no actual elemental wheel in the game in relation to enemies, right? Applying an element to our weapons does nothing.

[Zerobreaker]

The En- spells: There's no actual elemental wheel in the game in relation to enemies, right? Applying an element to our weapons does nothing.

cause adding an additional bit of dmg to your auto attack wouldn't be useful or anything <.<

En- spells used by mobs add a separate smaller number that follows an attack similar to how they worked in FF11 (if you played it). The elemental part means nothing for this game however, still a spell/skill that acted similar would be close to the same thing. (or at least how I've noticed it)

[Kamifubuki-Yoakesetsuri]

Honestly Darkness wouldn't make any sense whatsoever on a WHM. I can see a BLM having that move. It would probably be a weak aoe that inflicts blind for 30 seconds. Kinda like a paladin's flash.

[MartaDemireux]

Thoughts?

I REALLY hope RDM isn't given a healer role here >.<. Haste should go back to Time Mage and En-Spells back to Mystic Knight should they appear as well...

I believe Banish, Scourge, Dia and Water are still used by some enemies. Not sure if any use Flood, Quake and Tornado still from the old days.

Haste
Slow
Shell

Yoshi has once expressed hatred for the Haste spell. He doesn't like how it instantly becomes an absolutely needed buff a la FFXI. He could always change his mind but just wanted to inform. As far as Slow goes, I don't really see the point honestly. Between PGL/LNC/THM/ACN we have 4 different applications of it as it is. If Time Mage were to come in I would expect it to stem off of THM as it is due to their related abilities (Lethargy (slow and heavy), Swiftcast, Aetherial Manipulaiton) which would give them Slow anyway .

Shell I could see and not necessarily coming from a healer either. It would require either re-evaluating sub classes for our current jobs or bumping them up from 2 to 3. Either SCH would need to have the new class+CNJ or the new class+CNJ+THM. I don't really see anyone wanting to lose Swiftcast and I'm sure it'd cause a lot of flack but otherwise THM doesn't really offer much anyway...

En- spells

It's quite different in the hands of the enemy. We still have individual elemental resistances so they can benefit from the various elements but we don't get the same benefit. I could see en-spells working via some sort of a mechanic on Mystic Knight but not as a straight up copy of the enemies version. If we straight up copied it there'd be no point in giving more than one element which would be both boring and unfair.

Honestly Darkness wouldn't make any sense whatsoever on a WHM.

They just meant that we have a big Astral attack so we should have a big Umbral attack as well. Darkness is an iconic Dark Knight ability.

[Alistaire]

Yoshi has once expressed hatred for the Haste spell. He doesn't like how it instantly becomes an absolutely needed buff a la FFXI.

Except that we already have haste via sch and that's balanced, and people flat out hate spell/skill speed on gear. It would not instantly become a needed buff here.

[MartaDemireux]

Except that we already have haste via sch and that's balanced, and people flat out hate spell/skill speed on gear. It would not instantly become a needed buff here.

The opposite could be argued too though that if you stacked skill/spell speed gear that the bonus from buffs would be much larger. It's one of those stats where the more you have it pays off exponentially. There's just not enough of it on gear right now to make much difference with SCH's buffs.

If they implemented Haste people would expect it to increase both skill and spell speed and probably also expect it to be able to buff the entire party with it like every other FF has allowed it to do. Time Mage would probably be relegated to a Haste-bot in that situation. If they only allow it to be cast on one person every so often then you'd just be buffing the person with the highest base skill/spell speed on gear. If it stacked with SCH then we have some dangerous situations. If they make it like SCH's and make it not stack then I don't really feel it justifies taking up a job ability slot.

I'm not discounting that it couldn't be balanced but it would be a lot of work to balance it all out versus just giving TIM a different ability altogether.

[YanderePrincess]

The opposite could be argued too though that if you stacked skill/spell speed gear that the bonus from buffs would be much larger. It's one of those stats where the more you have it pays off exponentially. There's just not enough of it on gear right now to make much difference with SCH's buffs.

Actually, there's plenty on gear to make a significant difference with sch buffs.


There's two reasons most classes don't stack it.

For summoner, they're more likely to actually run out of mana, even with aetherflow usage, and SS doesn't provide much benefit on DoTs since it doesn't make the DoT tick faster. You can get them onto the target a little faster, and ruin spam faster, so there is a dps increase, but since it mostly affects only the ruin spam, the difference is pretty small, plus it has no effect on the pet at all nor does it affect their OGCD damaging abilities such as Fester, thus diminishing the overall usefulness compared to det and crit which affect both pets and Fester.

For physical dps, a good portion of their damage is from basic auto attacks, which are unaffected by skill speed, thus diminishing the value of skill speed compared to crit and determination which affect both their skills and their autoattacks (as well as OGCD damaging abilities). Additionally, it does increase the potential of running out of TP and requiring bard's tp song, which reduces the bard's dps by 20% while active, which would further diminish the dps benefit of running skill speed (though not necessarily -negate- it)

Imo, an actual Haste spell should at least also affect autoattacks, but that would make it likely to become a "must have." That said, I see a lot of posts talking about how scholars need to always run Selene and never run Eos because of the SS buffs, and most, if not al, statics for end-game content run SCH+WHM, meaning they have Selene and her SS buffs. I don't think this is a bad thing, though, since the current setup of jobs strongly favors running WHM+SCH and it's not leaving anyone out, and would be that way even without using Selene. Itll be interesting to see what happens with that when they release a new healer with 3.0, though.

[Altimis]

Cat Monk in Gladiator quest use Hundreds Fist (actually she is Pugilist)

[Wadoka]

Cat Monk in Gladiator quest use Hundreds Fist (actually she is Pugilist)

Yes, and it surprised the Seven Hells out of me and almost took me out before I... turned and ran away from her