Protesting Frontlines

[rappa]

I wrote this in reddit thread.

My stats as brd in pve ilvl 104 gear is:
crit 516, 262 det, skill speed 442, 550 dex and 420 vit.

My stats as brd in pvp ilvl100 gear if i geared that:
crit 420, 276 det, skill speed 436, 530 dex and 412 vit.

I am talking i lose 96 crit, 6 skill speed, 30 dex points, 8 vit. Oh i get 14 det points more.

With synchr the difference would be reduced but still it is. So where is the balance now?

[Tandy]

I wrote this in reddit thread.



With synchr the difference would be reduced but still it is. So where is the balance now?

Balance means everyone is treated the same. It would be inbalanced if you were synced and I wasnt. If we both are set to ilvl 80 thats balance. Every bard would be treated the same, and have the same stats across the board.

Now it might be unfair in your eyes to not let you have the stats you have on your gear beyond ilvl 80, and thats a fair opinion. But its just as unfair for everyone else too.

[Ashgarth]

How can anyone defend this?

They created pvp gear and a pvp stat then released the pvp mode everyone was waiting for and that pvp gear is completely useless.
How would you feel if after completeing that soul crushing zodiac quest and suddenly SE decides that Determination now does nothing?

This game is all about gear progression and now they completely get rid of pvp gear so that people wont have to farm it? then why the hell does it exist?

[rappa]

The only thing, synchr will be fine is all players inside frontline have the same stats.

A healer(ilvl 100) and a healer (ilvl 70), both with 5000 hp.

Same hp, same det, same crit, all stats are the same. That is balance. Only pvp abilities and personal skill marks the difference.

As i said, me wearing pvp gear are losing stats, no bother if i am synchronized or not because pvp gear has a 4th stat which is useless in frontline scenary.

Do you need numbers?

Weathered Auroral Tabard ilvl 100
Dex +34
Vit +39
crit + 38
Det + 19

Birdsong Coat ilvl 100
Dex +34
Vit + 39
Skill speed + 38
Morale 41

OK stats are not the same, but is balanced. Let's remove Morale from Pvp gear and what do you get? Nothing, you have a gear useless.

Let's synchr. We reduce 5/10 points each stat, nothing change because all player suffer it. But you, wearing that pvp gear which take long time to earn doesn't work because you are losing the 4th stat.

[Tandy]

Let's remove Morale from Pvp gear and what do you get? Nothing, you have a gear useless.

Let's synchr. We reduce 5/10 points each stat, nothing change because all player suffer it. But you, wearing that pvp gear which take long time to earn doesn't work because you are losing the 4th stat.

But that would be why you dont wear the wolves den gear in frontlines. If you know it will be missing a 4th stat, wear the PVE gear like everyone else? If you like the look, glamours are all you need.

[rappa]

Why may i use PVE gear in a pvp scenary?

I am raiding as bard and i do pvp as marauder, i haven't pve gear in marauder job.
May i spend soldier tomestone to buy a pve gear which i will not use in a high end encounter?
May i start to loot high allagan gear over my partners?
Why i am force to do pve to play pvp?
Why may i change my pvp job for another?

It's ridiculous.

[Ferth]

Personally, I've always felt pvp specific stats were a dumb idea. The notion that everyone is on a statistically level playing field means you might actually get people who are not interested in the current pvp to join in without being instantly frustrated when they get repeatedly curb stomped by someone in full i90 pvp gear.

If you think this is a bad thing, just imagine how long it's going to take for 72 people to queue for frontlines, factoring in the current wait time to get 8 people.

[Tandy]

Why may i use PVE gear in a pvp scenary?

I am raiding as bard and i do pvp as marauder, i haven't pve gear in marauder job.
May i spend soldier tomestone to buy a pve gear which i will not use in a high end encounter?
May i start to loot high allagan gear over my partners?
Why i am force to do pve to play pvp?
Why may i change my pvp job for another?

It's ridiculous.

Its capped at ilvl 80. You can get gear from running roulettes as a bard that will be more than enough. No need to spend tomes or coil looting on it at all. Why get ilvl 100 gear when its all capped lower anyway?

[Rawk]

Here's my thing as well:

SE mislead those that are really enjoying PvP. They never called it Wolves Den gear, they never called it Wolves Den rank. It's called PvP gear and PvP rank. The patch that introduced 10 ranks and the PvP animal gear also came with notes from Yoshi and devs stating that Frontlines will be discussed soon, please look forward to it. Why would they introduce new ranks and new gear while teasing Frontlines that have been teased for a while and not explain that it will not be useable in frontlines. Furthermore, the animal gear was shown in a live letter with Frontlines written on it. It's easy to see how you can come to the conclusion that it will be used in Frontlines. So, enjoying pvp already I start getting extra pumped and start queueing every day. A) because I like it and B) because I wanted an advantage in Frontlines. Some only did wolves den even though they didn't like it just to prep for Frontlines.

[Rawk]

My opinion on a solution? Allow more wolf marks and exp on wolves den and have Frontlines give quite a bit of marks and exp. Increase the amount gained during a loss. This will allow newer players to gear up faster. Sure that still stings cause of the grind I've done, but it's not a kick in the balls like this is.