Why can't people dodge?

[MeiUshu]

First, why are you ending your posts with "Mei," I can see your name on the side.

Second, I don't understand what you're even trying to say in your first sentence. Reality is the same for everybody. People don't live in separate instances of time. If your internet is so awful that someone playing ~6,473 miles away from the server they're playing on can play perfectly fine and you can't, then unfortunately you might have to find a new game.

Because Mei is my name Mei Ushu (first name / last name). For the rest actually when it comes to internet, yes we do live in separate realities, subject to some things that we dont control and have to do with what we are handed over depending on where you live, what type of technology you have if it is available everywhere, what server is being used and yadayadayada. I am surprised that ignorance of your level exists. I am not surprised, though, that we are 17 pages later and we still are having this conversation. I am glad that your level of understanding was questioned by someone else then me

At any rate cant force a donkey to drink if not thirsty, it has been known that some donkeys were sto stubborn that they died rather then drink ( no offence meant).

Mei

[Bizniztyme]

I am glad that your level of understanding was questioned by someone else then me

Look, noone is saying that that people don't run into these problems. It happens in every single game. It's just more defined in this game becuase the way it's designed. We are just saying that people are using it as a crutch even though they are not lagging at all because on the easier fights, I've seen people dodge just fine with the same type of dodging mechanics but when the fights get harder, it takes more skill so they tend to get hit more and all of a sudden, everything is because of lag. You don't seem to understand the point other people are trying to make. Noone is saying because it doesn't happen to me it shouldnt happen to you but every time they mess up? I seriously doubt that. Don't knock on someone elses's understanding when you can't understand the other side of the argument yourself.

[Iriadysa]

No other game has threads like this or complaints like this.

I'm guessing you have played about 2 online games, ever.

You couldn't be any more wrong.

People have been bitching about "lag" since the dawn of online gaming. The sole fact that there exists routing services specific for gaming (WTFast, Battleping, etc) should be all the proof you need.

When you say stuff like:

it actually IS SE's responsibility to code for REALITY

Shows how little you understand the problem. The reaction times in this game are so broad exactly because they know the high latency of the player base. Their main mistake, the .3 positional refresh, has already been patched out to something more reasonable (.1) given the player base. The next step to fulfill what you are asking is to make content even easier in terms of reaction times, which quite honestly are already pathetic.

I've seen people beat Manaya's Core in TERA with 300ms latency. I assure you the reaction times required in that encounter were nowhere near anything in XIV.

What we are really seeing here is a low skilled population that has no intention of improving their own abilities ridding the lag bus, completely delegitimizing those that actually have latency problems. Meanwhile, those with real latency problems feel empowered to make demands because of a faux amount of people "with the same problem".

[MeiUshu]

I do understand that....I think you missed the pages of people DENYING the fact that people do have lag...that is my squalm..not anything else..the rest of course there are people that use it as an excuse BUT those people arent the majority and in here it was and has been as is being stated and re-stated several times if you read all the pages, that people make it up.. is not me that invent it or say what wasnt said..it is written black on white in this very thread, so that is what I am not in agreement meaning you cant put all in the same box, and just because someone is not able to dodge as YOU would like him/her to dodge, aka in time, that said person is bad, noob, stupid that doesnt know anything and has no skills, you cant go and insult those and say that what they are going through is only their fault and the like and in here all do exactly that. How can you tell someone that you dont know, dont have a clue what they experience and the rest, that what they say is a lie ? you tell me...

Re-read this thread totally and then come back and tell me I am wrong...I never said all have lag issues...or did I ?

Mei

[Bizniztyme]

snip

How do you know that it's not the majority that are making it up? You have numbers to back it up? I've played these games enough to know that people never own up to their mistakes. It's always excuses after excuses. So to me the majority is making it up. Again. To ME. I'll tell you this, I have no problem with people that can't dodge. Actually I enjoy playing with them as long as they own up to it. I will never belittle the person in any way. I will stay til the last second to keep on trying with these people because it's fun for me to overcome an encounter. We learn together, we get better. My problem is, people don't ever own up to their mistakes and make excuses, that's when I get annoyed. You going to tell me the majority of people in this game own up? Never going to happen. It's always an excuse and it gets old. I respect people way more if they admit their mistakes even though they can't dodge a single thing. I would encourage them and say it's ok because not everyone have the same skill but keep on trying and I will keep on trying with them and we get better together. But please, no excuses.

[Souljacker]

I'm guessing you have played about 2 online games, ever.

6, Actually, over the course of the last 15 years or so. FFXI, WoW, Rift, Neverwinter, ESO, and FFXIV. I played end-game in three of those six, with XIV being next on my list.

XIV is wholly unique in the severity and frequency of "lag"-related issues. I'm not the only one reporting the issues, so I guess there is something else going on. Why is it so hard for some of you to understand some of these things we are telling you?

[TeaTimeBear]

...

I am totally one I give the benefit of the doubt when people say lag. But I think some don't feel this way because people cry wolf. Some people once scorned don't allow themselves to feel the sting of deceit again. Even if it's legit to them
that trust is gone.

Myself though? I was right there with others back in dec talking about the horrendous rubberbanding. As I was afflicted in the past so I give the benefit even after having been lifted of the accursed rubberbanding. Even with the overwhelming mountain of proof back then people still were denying.

[Makado]

I think its funny that people just ignore when others who respond and are from these "high lag" areas say they do the fights just fine no problem. I guarantee most of the people complaining about lag did not move immediately, just wanted to let that spell finish because it was super close to being done, wanted to get that back rotation hit in quick. You don't have time in this game to do that stuff. Get the fuck out of the way of mechanics. I see this ALL the time, just take the extra second to be out of the stuff and you won't die. Obviously it can be done because like I said, we see people comment "well I live there and I do it all fine" but they just get ignored.

[TeaTimeBear]

I think its funny that people just ignore when others who respond and are from these "high lag" areas say they do the fights just fine no problem. I guarantee most of the people complaining about lag did not move....

Well I think this gets ignored because:

A. Difference in reaction time.

B. Not many can adapt to that. (Why should they?) most people without the lag do fine. Fighting the lag and a boss is annoying especially as a healer where you have to fight the boss, lag, and health bars that fluctuate like mad.

C. Lag should be expected in an MMO but this one has you moving via reacting to markers, spawns you name it. Rubberbanding like this while trying your best is not fun. You will see complaints come forward about this because to some this is frustrating and not something they wish to waste time adapting too. When you RB you still have a change of being blindsided hard by mechanics even knowing what's coming.

[Roris]

Why is it so hard for some of you to understand some of these things we are telling you?

Because it would be admitting a game someone's so invested in isn't perfect and flawless and that's bad.