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  1. #21
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    Alistaire's Avatar
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    Wait, so the system does put it 1/1 det, like any other stats? That would explain why everyone's going that route, you're effectively getting 1.5x worth of stats...unless they fix it.

    (yes, that's easily going to make det the best stat for blms outside of hitting that 251 piety mark)
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  2. #22
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    Bo Bo
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    does 35 CRIT 20 SS 20 ACC sound like a bad set up? >_>
    that is assuming you can do more then 2 stats, because the in-game help window says you can infuse up to FIVE attributes
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    Stouter Taru
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    Based on other ilvl110 weapons, caps appear to be at least:
    44 Accuracy
    44 Spell Speed
    31 Determination
    31 Critical Hit Rate
    33 Piety

    44 Parry
    44 Skill Speed

    Why do people think 251 Piety is worth going after? So you can cast Fire3 > 5xFire > Transpose and wait cause you only have 6 MP left?
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  4. #24
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    Vyaku Avanori
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    Quote Originally Posted by StouterTaru View Post
    Why do people think 251 Piety is worth going after? So you can cast Fire3 > 5xFire > Transpose and wait cause you only have 6 MP left?
    There are some instances at the end of Fire1 rotations where after you cast Blizz3 to switch to UI you are left with just under the amount needed to get off a Thunder2 and are left waiting for a tick of MP. There are also some instances towards the end of Fire1 rotations where you will find yourself having enough MP for one more fire1 cast but not enough MP for a Blizz3 UI switch; requiring you to transpose instead. The 251 piety helps dps by providing a slightly larger MP pool that offers you much more flexibility especially towards the end of fire rotations and when after you just switch into UI from Blizz3. This will often leave you with just enough MP to immediately cast at least Thunder2 after the UI switch instead of waiting on an MP tick or having to scathe while you wait. While the piety is a significant dps numbers gain, I personally enjoy it because it makes BLM smoother and faster to play.
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    Last edited by vyaku; 06-10-2014 at 06:39 PM.

  5. #25
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    wicked-one's Avatar
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    Azul Earendil
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    Shiva
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    Is it confirmed yet that you dont max out 2 Stats but can infuse, lets say 3 Stats...? Okay, hard to confirm cause i guess no one grinded that hard that he already finished it ^^

    I am thinking about going for ACC + SS or ACC + CRIT

    ACC, because I am thinking about making this my Coil Weapong and to meet tha ACC-CAP while leaving me more flexibility with the other Gear (since the Strat Gear lacks much of ACC-Items) and I am not the luckiest person in looting...

    SS - because someone said to me it would be essential especially for T9.

    CRIT, cause big numbers really look inmpressive, when a Fire3 hit´s with ~2000 ^^

    but maybe i mix it up on 3 stats...

    so what´s your opinion on this plan?

    Quote Originally Posted by vyaku View Post
    There are some instances where after you cast Blizz3 to switch to UI you are left with just under the amount needed to get off a Thunder2 and are left waiting for a tick of MP. There are also some instances towards the end of fire rotations where you will find yourself having enough MP for one more fire1 cast but not enough MP for a Blizz3 UI switch; requiring you to transpose instead.
    Really never happened to me, as long as I stick to my rotation and don´t execute bad ideas like "let´s fit a scythe in there while i have to move, ah shit, now i have no MP for Blizz3" - which is just some bad habit to turn off...
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    Last edited by wicked-one; 06-10-2014 at 03:52 PM.

  6. #26
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    Quote Originally Posted by wicked-one View Post
    Really never happened to me, as long as I stick to my rotation and don´t execute bad ideas like "let´s fit a scythe in there while i have to move, ah shit, now i have no MP for Blizz3" - which is just some bad habit to turn off...
    You sound very foolish.
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  7. #27
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    Quote Originally Posted by vyaku View Post
    The 251 piety helps dps by providing a slightly larger MP pool that offers you much more flexibility especially towards the end of fire rotations and when after you just switch into UI from Blizz3.
    Starting with UI3 up and full MP, you only need ~238 piety to do that rotation followed up by a blizz3 and still have enough for a scathe/thunder.

    Starting with full mp and going blizz3 then the rotation without getting that mp tick from blizz3 you would need ~256 piety.

    AoE rotations have no step up within 15 piety of that.

    Yes, more mp is better, but why the arbitrary 251 Piety? The MP pool fits exactly with just enough mp to fit in a fire3 and 5 fires from a dead stop, with nothing else left. I don't see the flexibility there.
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  8. #28
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    I did some math and some testing, 250 seems to be a nice AoE plateau for Piety. It gives you just enough mp to flare > convert > fire2 > flare.
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    I would agree with you but then we would both be wrong. You are forgetting to include the cost of the initial Fire 3 under Umbral 3 which cost just under 100 mana. With each piety giving 8 mana, that's where the 251 piety figure is derived from.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vyaku View Post
    You sound very foolish.
    Say´s the one, running out of MP and has to use the "oh shit, i messed up" skill...
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    Never a mind was changed on an internet board, no matter how good your arguments are...

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