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  1. #731
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    Divine_Intervention's Avatar
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    Divine Intervention
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    Phoenix
    Main Class
    Arcanist Lv 61
    Brayflox HM, tank ilvl 110 gear for the majority.
    Go in (with a party of three from my server, couldn't get a damn tank on the PF lol), ask if he minds a run to second boss and reset. Was then asked "if your doing speed runs, why using DF?" to which we explained the above. He decided he wanted a full run, so we said yep, fair play let's go for it.

    He sods off without stoneskin or protect, pulls everything the whole way, wipes, rages at me . When asked why he sodded off without buffs, told the same thing "i'll do my own" usual story about explanations. First boss, 4 wipes, but didn't bother to clear the mob just before the doors so kept wiping on THE WAY there lol.

    Got though it eventually, but aye, was more of a pain than anything.
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  2. #732
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    Aloreal's Avatar
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    Sheena Te'ar
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    Odin
    Main Class
    Marauder Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by wicked-one View Post
    The popular opinion, yes - so often quoted, someone should get credit for it.

    still, not true...

    you are a team, and if you fail, the team fails as whole...
    it might not apply in all situations, but its mostly correct though.

    If the tank dies its the healer who is at fault usually (unless an undergeared tank assumes to imitate what he saw in youtube whereas the youtuber could have been well geared, whereas the emulator had nothing of value to show than a broken arrogance)

    If the healer died the tank usually is at fault, unless healer popped cleric stance and wasnt confident enough to use it and forgo healing thus stealing aggro even before the tank made contact. Or left CS and healed thinking he could make it work)

    If the DDs die usually its their fault, because with competent (used loosely) tank would strive to not lose aggro, and a healer should, theoretically, only heal tank and top buffs to DDs as appropriate.
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  3. #733
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    wicked-one's Avatar
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    Azul Earendil
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    Shiva
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    Black Mage Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Aloreal View Post
    it might not apply in all situations, but its mostly correct though.
    I like how everbody on this forum assumes, everyone else started playing yesterday ^^
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    Never a mind was changed on an internet board, no matter how good your arguments are...

  4. #734
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    Aloreal's Avatar
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    Sheena Te'ar
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    Odin
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    Marauder Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by wicked-one View Post
    I like how everbody on this forum assumes, everyone else started playing yesterday ^^
    Nobody is assuming nothing. there is just too many quotes for it and against it. nothing bad in putting out my two cents on an overused quote ^^
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  5. #735
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    Raeanya Ashurke
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    Famfrit
    Main Class
    Astrologian Lv 58
    Quote Originally Posted by Divine_Intervention View Post
    When asked why he sodded off without buffs, told the same thing "i'll do my own" usual story about explanations.
    I love the ones that run off after casting ss or even protect on themselves. Do some players not realize that WHM gets a trait that buffs the buffs even more?
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  6. #736
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    Aloreal's Avatar
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    Sheena Te'ar
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    Odin
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    Marauder Lv 50
    Have another one. and this time is half my fault.
    and i explain

    You know when you sync to lower dungeon and you feel BOSS cause you think there is nothing you cannot do?
    No cigar people. when syncing there is a clear and definite numerical value to your class. Nothing OP, nothing much. you are essentially the lvl of the dungeon +2 lvls in numerical values.

    So we go Bray normal. Tank on lvl. me sync. and tank proceeds to rush though and grab all under the sun. I was so smug about myself that i totally failed to keep tank alive.

    Obviously, tank at fault for grabbing all when on level. and my fault for feeling better than i was.

    We did finish in the end, but boy was that a wake up call
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  7. #737
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    Ashkendor Zahirr
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    Balmung
    Main Class
    Paladin Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Raeanya View Post
    I love the ones that run off after casting ss or even protect on themselves. Do some players not realize that WHM gets a trait that buffs the buffs even more?
    Eh. I pause for a bit to let the WHM buff me. If they don't recast SS after a few moments I shrug and do it myself.
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  8. #738
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    Raeanya Ashurke
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    Famfrit
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    Astrologian Lv 58
    Quote Originally Posted by Ashkendor View Post
    Eh. I pause for a bit to let the WHM buff me. If they don't recast SS after a few moments I shrug and do it myself.
    I'm talking about the ones that use it on themselves while I'm casting protect or even loading into the instance. Also the guys that use protect before all players are loaded in and the ring drops (it won't land on anyone watching a cutscene) then run off as soon as the duty is commenced.
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  9. #739
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    DarkmoonVael's Avatar
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    Darkmoon Vael
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    Cerberus
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    Astrologian Lv 60
    So here is a new one: Titan Hm in roulette. Fine can solo heal it. OT has a nap at bottom of cliff phase 3, fine its only an OT. Post heart, healing partner dies, it fine, can solo heal. Then MT disconnects, oh dear lord, NOT fine, titan massacres 2 of the 4 dps, about to come after me. MT reconnects just in time, provokes off me! Healing people back to full health, tricky to catch up after everything that has gone on. LB 3 fills, dead people want healer LB, would be sensible, give my mana a respite. Nope, Dragoon LB, doesnt kill titan. Have to keep healing in bad situation. Titan dies eventually and what do i get? I get abuse off the Dragoon....."If you cant solo heal titan at your level....." etc etc etc. Can solo heal fine, but Dragoon, consider what happened in the run first...."
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  10. #740
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    Deneb Algiedi
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    Leviathan
    Main Class
    Astrologian Lv 70
    Ugh, that's pretty awful for helping to carry the team through that mess.

    Anyway, I feel a lot of times that DPS develop a sort of tunnel vision. Experience with other classes helps alleviate it, but they're still not required to watch party members the same way as healers are. As long as the tank and healer are up, they don't have to pay attention to anything except their own rotation and dodging. It takes something like the end of the fight or a dead tank to snap them out of it. More likely than not, he had those blinders on and assumed you let the tank drop dead when they actually dced.
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