Consern regarding Brutal Mode

[Alukah]

Now that you can openly show your titles they are more worth than gear imo.
Gear will eventually be outdated but a hard to obtain title will stay, however they should remove those in future expansions so they won't be optainable after let's say a lvl raise.
For groups that easily clear t6-9 it's a welcome change, you can just progress and clear it on normal at the end of the week if you have to.

"however they should remove those in future expansions so they won't be optainable after let's say a lvl raise."

No, just because a content gets easier to do over the time doesn't mean the rewards (title) should be unobtainable, they can just keep adding more hardcore content with exclusive titles.

[Radacci]

I'm not going to argue here how wrong that first statement is, but allow me to make a point.
Why do people do Brayflox spam instead of spamming Amdapor Township? It's shorter. It's easier. Path of least resistance. Brutal Mode while maybe initially will have interest, once people get over the "it's new" a week later, a vast majority won't even try to clear it anymore.

I'm not trying to be a concern troll, I legitimately want hard content like Brutal Mode. But I really think offering no reward for completion will skew this "test" and doom our chances. Some silly minion is a fair reward, wouldn't you think?

you're talking about 2 completely different things.
ppl are spamming bray SR, because you need absurd amount of myth tomes, for animus, and mysterious maps. so obviously they want to minimize the time it takes to *farm* it.
the purpose of going to brayHM, is getting myth/sol tomes, maybe some vanity gear, and mats.
The purpose of doing Brutal-Mode content, is only for the achievement. It's like getting luminary tools. there's no value whatsoever in having them, it's just for the achievement/vanity. I don't think anyone cares about luminary tools, aside from having it as a badge of honor. You dont get them for the tool itself, because you can get blue tools, that are as good, really easy...
If i got some vanity armor set/wep, that would be awesome bonus, but it wouldn't motivate me to clear it, if i didn't enjoy the challenge, to begin with.
In KH for example, i would try to unlock coliseum, and Sephiroth fight, as quickly as possible, with as low lv as possible. So i got there at lv 45-50, and i would equip only starter wep or something, and make it as difficult as i could. I had already cleared it before, so there was no incentive whatsoever to do it again, aside from testing my skill. I could sit there for hours and fight, for the challenge alone.
I couldn't care less about some *silly minion* i would probably just throw it away. like i would have with shantotto, if it had been possible. it still annoys me i cant get rid of it -.-

No, they won't. Just like don't do T2 normal mode anymore or they don't remove echo buff from coil or primals.

if it was just me, i wouldn't enrage T2, and i would remove echo buff.
but it's not just me, ppl are bitching at me for not using food, and they would go bananas if i removed echo buff.
because obviously the entire success rate of *stuff* depends on me using food. If we wipe, it would ofc be my fault for removing echo buff (cause ppl dont want to admit they suck, and rather blame it on someone else)

[Moqi]

It's perfect the way it is now. Only people interested in the fight will go in and the bads that will try to join just for the new gear won't. Everybody's happy.

[Enepttastic]

if it was just me, i wouldn't enrage T2, and i would remove echo buff.
but it's not just me, ppl are bitching at me for not using food, and they would go bananas if i removed echo buff.
because obviously the entire success rate of *stuff* depends on me using food. If we wipe, it would ofc be my fault for removing echo buff (cause ppl dont want to admit they suck, and rather blame it on someone else)

I have a similar mindset but what really made me respond is finding out that people actually use combat food. I think I can count on one hand how many times I've seen someone use food in a party, that includes during "progression" parties in PF.

[silentwindfr]

i'm the only one to see a small trouble about the brutal mode? i means, ok we get a title for finish it.... ONE TIME! what the point to do it after complet it this only time?
don't get me wrong i'm like you, i prefer challenge over reward... but most people are not like this. they will not add content that take time and money to create only for a bunch of people that will do it one time and get over it.

the concern some have is right... what the point to make a brutal mode that will complet one time... instead to make a content that can be play over and over and over... by making less scripted fight. i think, they want to find a way to give more stuff to do at the player. when it was already said what it's need to be done. it's not add another mode of difficulty.. but add replayability to the actual content.

[Radacci]

I have a similar mindset but what really made me respond is finding out that people actually use combat food. I think I can count on one hand how many times I've seen someone use food in a party, that includes during "progression" parties in PF.

actually they spend all their money on buying food, and insist on that i use food too...i usually dont, despite their nagging
i usually say: if you need food to clear content, you're doing it wrong. If you're doing it right, you don't need food.
If you don't know what you're doing, you'll wipe even with 25% echo buff....food certainly isn't going to make a difference.
If you know what you're doing, food is still not going to make any difference.
so bottom line, it's totally pointless.
Only food worth mentioning, is DoL/DoH, and possibly acc food.

[Gormogon]

So out of the small percentage that can barely down Coil when it comes out. A way smaller percentage might be able to do the "pre-nerf" Coil.

I say we let them that down "pre-nerf" Coil a chance to decide once they down it.

[Xatsh]

I do not understand the crowd that wants to do it for the sake of doing it with no rewards.

It is the same as getting a doctorate degree in college only to get minimum wage as a reward in the end.

Brutal mode atm seems to be as worth it as doing Raven Hard in 1.X all over again. Just simply no point at all beside a pointless title.

Doing this content will better your character in no way. It would be better time spent spaming blayflox for myth.

They should give something for completing it. Even if it is just a 1 time reward like a Ring that is BIS or something for completing it.

[Gormogon]

I do not understand the crowd that wants to do it for the sake of doing it with no rewards.

There's a lot of people in the world that help for the sake of helping and not for the sake of receiving a tip and a thank you.

People that want to do brutal mode will have the chance to get their challenge, test out the pre modified version, and get a title for it. What more could you possibly want than the self-gratification of being able to down such content and get a title to show it off?

[Menriq]

actually they spend all their money on buying food, and insist on that i use food too...i usually dont, despite their nagging
i usually say: if you need food to clear content, you're doing it wrong. If you're doing it right, you don't need food.
If you don't know what you're doing, you'll wipe even with 25% echo buff....food certainly isn't going to make a difference.
If you know what you're doing, food is still not going to make any difference.
so bottom line, it's totally pointless.
Only food worth mentioning, is DoL/DoH, and possibly acc food.

My group always uses food, especially for progression. Now that we have everything on farm, we still use food as it makes it that much easier. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and I respect yours, but just not sure I understand what the downside is by not using food.