A Warrior's Guide to Paladin - Contrast/Comparison of Abilities

[Steady]

WAR has to learn the fights a helluva lot more than PLD does because their abilities require better timing and more consideration of side effects/opportunity costs (when to use Berserk, when to use IB, whether you should use Overpower or SC).

My point wasn't to say that one job was better at the other. Without stepping on anyone's toes.... Isn't the fact that more is required of the player an indicator that one handles some situations easier than the other make it valid? Using "fracture" as timing, or staring at the clock to time Inner Beast sounds viable and very useful. I love playing warrior, tanked pretty much all content with it... but me loving warrior doesn't make it less true that some things easier on paladin. Likewise some things are easier on Warrior. And some things, are pretty much the same.

This post was primarily for a FC mate who remarked that Paladin > Warrior. I tried to explain how similar they were, and also how there's really only niche situations where Paladin outperforms, but equally situations where Warrior does. Was trying to state the case that they are equivalent but different.

[Alphras]

Thats fine and all, but you should get your numbers right :P. Vengeance is on a 120s recast timer for example.

Use sites like http://xivdb.com/ and http://ffxiv.consolegameswiki.com/wiki/FF14_Wiki for reference. They are pretty up to date (xivdb includes passives for every skill, be careful there).

[Steady]

Thats fine and all, but you should get your numbers right :P. Vengeance is on a 120s recast timer for example.

Use sites like http://xivdb.com/ and http://ffxiv.consolegameswiki.com/wiki/FF14_Wiki for reference. They are pretty up to date (xivdb includes passives for every skill, be careful there).

Think I was using gamersescape and ffxivguild, the later I knew had some dated info, but I thought i scrutinized through most of it.

[Nabian]

My point wasn't to say that one job was better at the other. Without stepping on anyone's toes.... Isn't the fact that more is required of the player an indicator that one handles some situations easier than the other make it valid? Using "fracture" as timing, or staring at the clock to time Inner Beast sounds viable and very useful. I love playing warrior, tanked pretty much all content with it... but me loving warrior doesn't make it less true that some things easier on paladin. Likewise some things are easier on Warrior. And some things, are pretty much the same.

This post was primarily for a FC mate who remarked that Paladin > Warrior. I tried to explain how similar they were, and also how there's really only niche situations where Paladin outperforms, but equally situations where Warrior does. Was trying to state the case that they are equivalent but different.

But that's his whole point...easier does not equal better. We can all agree that Paladin is an easier class to play (1,2,3 ftw...), but that doesn't necessarily mean it will perform better in certain contents. A good warrior will be on par with a good paladin and in some cases outperform the paladin (and in some cases the opposite will be true depending on the fight). A bad paladin will always be better than a bad warrior. Your friend has probably just never grouped up with a good warrior to know the difference. But I promise you it's night and day.

[Lemon8or]

This post was primarily for a FC mate who remarked that Paladin > Warrior.

I get almost all of my FC through turn 5 main tanking as Warrior. Some of them still think Warrior sucks. *shrug* People are stubborn sometimes. No point in trying to convince them if they're not open-minded.

[Kitru]

I get almost all of my FC through turn 5 main tanking as Warrior. Some of them still think Warrior sucks. *shrug* People are stubborn sometimes. No point in trying to convince them if they're not open-minded.

The general consensus amongst most of the people that I hang out with, because of how well a good WAR performs, is they'd rather have a WAR than a PLD to such an extent that a lot of the PLDs are trying to swap over to WAR (often with hilarious results where they can't handle more than 1 combo and/or don't know what to do with Wrath stacks).

It's more a case of bringing the player rather than the class though: bad WAR < bad PLD < mediocre PLD = mediocre WAR < good PLD < good WAR. In either case, the good player is better than the bad player; it's just that there's a lot more deviation from the middle with WAR than there is with PLD.

[Lemon8or]

It's more a case of bringing the player rather than the class though: bad WAR < bad PLD < mediocre PLD = mediocre WAR < good PLD < good WAR. In either case, the good player is better than the bad player; it's just that there's a lot more deviation from the middle with WAR than there is with PLD.

Yeah, I have convinced them that much. They have no complaints when I tank for them as warrior but when they have some random warrior under-perform, it's ingrained that bad performance as warrior just being bad. Either way, warrior and paladin are in a balanced state right now. Paladin just have less variance so for them, whom doesn't really get into endgame stuffs (most only beat primals EX and turn 5 once or twice), paladins are usually the surer bet.

[Killabye]

I barely got my t5 kill but I felt the opposite. For twin I'd prefer Pali because there's peaks and valleys in the fight and if you got faith in your healer Pali works fine and you got hg. Besides that though I have a hard time figuring out which is better. War lately I've been pulling double ib's with bb and berserk up for over 1000 each which kicks ass. Also started turning off defiance and been dps way higher. But I always felt Pali gives you nice long cool downs that are steady whereas war timing your bb, berserks, sc's to heal yourself at the right times

[Killabye]

It's more a case of bringing the player rather than the class though: bad WAR < bad PLD < mediocre PLD = mediocre WAR < good PLD < good WAR. In either case, the good player is better than the bad player; it's just that there's a lot more deviation from the middle with WAR than there is with PLD.[/QUOTE]

Nice cause war is way more fun. It's fun to throw down massive damage on mobs, I'm barely figuring out timing for self heals but if you can rely on yourelf for 5-6k hp 1-2 times a fight that's big. A good se with ber and ir up followed with a IB is getting me great heals now

[Kitru]

I'm barely figuring out timing for self heals but if you can rely on yourelf for 5-6k hp 1-2 times a fight that's big. A good se with ber and ir up followed with a IB is getting me great heals now

The self heals are honestly pretty negligible for any content where you actually need a tank. What's important is timing IB for the damage reduction and maximizing your damage/Wrath stack generation while maintaining the SP debuff.