Relic quest summary -> Good by to casuals

[chococo]

(Carry on from above, can't edit on phone)

Surely ppl can say the quest carries on upgrading till 2.35. But who is to know what will happen beyond that. It might become trash after cos the ilv of items continue to grow. There is low incentive for ppl to grind it out. By the time ppl finished grinding, it might become patch 2.4/2.5 and it becomes trash already. So all that hardwork for nothing.

[OmniEx]

I think most ppl jumping on those that do not like the relic quest do not realise that all this hardwork/grind is not really the issue if the end product is worth the grind. Relic is only as good as upgraded soldiery weapon but is much more work.

The so-called customisation means very little as there will be cookie cutter ones as secondary stats mean so little and certain stats are just better than others.

There has to be a sacrifice for getting something that takes less skill and co-ordination to get. In this case it means you have to grind for longer and get slightly weaker weapon. Don't like it? Do the hard content and get the skilled players weapon. Or were you expecting the strongest weapon in the game to come from some of the easiest content in the game?

[OPneedNerfs]

SE simply took the feedback of the players in 2.20-2.25.

Many players agreed with the grind and were in full support of it taking a long time. Let's be realistic here, SE wants subs, long lasting subs. What better way to do that other than introducing timesinks for people. The only people that have a problem with this are those who want to burn through content as fast as possible. SE isn't able to pump out content at those speeds so they'll need timesinks like these to keep players occupied.

[Kiroh]

The real problem here is that relics will simply never be worth investing so much time into. Don't get me wrong though, no other gear would be either. The ilevel system in this game makes the gear disposable (or replaceable) after every single major patch. Creating an item that has a built in grind lasting longer than the actual patch does simply doesn't make any logical sense, it will be obsolete before you ever obtain it. And that's assuming it's top tier to begin with, which it is not and hasn't been for any of the upgrades past zenith. Frankly, even Novus which was introduced just a few days ago is still outclassed by other weapons released in the 2.2 patch.

To put it bluntly, the game model Yoshida chose for FFXIV necessitates quick, simple gear progression. Challenging, perhaps, but grind is simply not an option if you want to stay true to the linear nature of gear progress.

[chococo]

There has to be a sacrifice for getting something that takes less skill and co-ordination to get. In this case it means you have to grind for longer and get slightly weaker weapon. Don't like it? Do the hard content and get the skilled players weapon. Or were you expecting the strongest weapon in the game to come from some of the easiest content in the game?

Like i said, another person that jumps the gun. Point is like someone posted above, grinding in a game where stuff is readily disposable does not make sense. Gear designed for casuals that cannot be reached by casuals means wasted content

[Sparky]

Depends on how long you intend to play for. I mean the point of an MMORPG is that it's intended to run long term, hell FFXI is still going after like 12 years and I know people who have been playing that for the entire duration. If people go into it thinking they ought to be able to do everything in just a few months, then that's the wrong way to look at it. The relic quest is optional content that is designed for people who are prepared to sink a lot of time into it knowing that it is a goal to work for. Not necessarily the best gear, but a long term achievement nonetheless. If someone isn't prepared to do that, then that content isn't intended for them. They should stop complaining and do something they consider more worthwhile.

[Eidolon]

I'll throw in my two gil -

I played back in 1.0. Remade my character on a non-legacy for 2.0 (Brand new, full leveling to get enjoyment from the game.) I've been an end-game raider since pre-2.1, though I didn't advance as fast as others. With 2.2, I advanced faster - hit turn 9 (Cleared T8 early) and had my i110 weapon early on thanks to the bias given to DPS jobs.

However, I will say - this recent trend with Relics and weapons in general, has me burning out, and I've started to look towards other avenues. I'll admit I've started to look at Wildstar - and it's been tempting to want to quit FFXIV Because of how bad the grind in it for things that I feel should've been personal challenge/skill oriented, instead of.... whatever this abomination we have right now is.

I'm sure, though, that even Wildstar will be a grind. Hell, 15 levels in and I already said "Holy **** this is a grind" a number of times. Even still, I think that's more acceptable as a grind than this end-game grind to get an i110 weapon for -one- class, when I as a DPS / tank play multiple (Main goon, Main warrior, Main Black Mage, Main Bard - these are my jobs.)

I much preferred the old method. Content that could be mastered by any player - Titan Hard Mode served as a -great- gate. I think that part of the issue was putting Titan HM as progression to reach Coil-content : They made relics required. If you had to clear Good King Moogle EX as well as Levi EX and maybe a custom set of Relic bosses for the new Atma/Novus quest, I would've been much happier - because we'd be getting new content mixed with challenging content. Things that we could progress on and enjoy as we mastered each class/role in those fights.

But instead, we basically got sent back to leveling and spamming Myth runs - and I'm sorry, I just don't find those fun. But, that is an overly subjective arguement - I could be a minority, I could be a majority, I'll never know - I just know how I personally feel.

[OmniEx]

Like i said, another person that jumps the gun. Point is like someone posted above, grinding in a game where stuff is readily disposable does not make sense. Gear designed for casuals that cannot be reached by casuals means wasted content

Who said it was designed for casuals? If anything it was aimmed at all the people who wanted a weapon gated by time sink because the regular relic quest was just too easy. As well as the players who wanted to get a good weapon without having to do raids or primals or any sort of challenging content. Not necessarily casual players. Solo players if anything

[SarcasmMisser]

If you had to clear Good King Moogle EX as well as Levi EX and maybe a custom set of Relic bosses for the new Atma/Novus quest, I would've been much happier - because we'd be getting new content mixed with challenging content. Things that we could progress on and enjoy as we mastered each class/role in those fights.

Those challenges would have to be at least as hard as clearing t8 to not undermine raid progression, and if they did that then they would defeat their stated purpose for the relics as well as there being a torrent of complaints putting us back to square one.

Really I just think their whole approach is flawed and these two models of gear progression do not mix well. They are being very reactionary with their design lately and trying to please everyone, instead they should just dig their heels in and pick a model of progression. They're not going to satisfy everyone.

[Yukiko]

Depends on how long you intend to play for. I mean the point of an MMORPG is that it's intended to run long term, hell FFXI is still going after like 12 years and I know people who have been playing that for the entire duration. If people go into it thinking they ought to be able to do everything in just a few months, then that's the wrong way to look at it. The relic quest is optional content that is designed for people who are prepared to sink a lot of time into it knowing that it is a goal to work for. Not necessarily the best gear, but a long term achievement nonetheless. If someone isn't prepared to do that, then that content isn't intended for them. They should stop complaining and do something they consider more worthwhile.

Do you know what "BurnOut" means?
Novus is not even the end of the Rope!
When you argue with "long time event" to defend a single part like "Novus", then you are telling me to farm years for Novus just to see there are 10+ other "steps" after Novus who require again same ammount of time? (I tryed to use high numbers, so you can see the big picture better). The argument with "long time" is poor when using it to defend Novus, and NO ONE expect the "defenders" bringing up the argument about finishing it within a day...

It seems you do not have good arguments, so you try to attack the complainers with the intention to defend a poor designed content...
And you already prove that with your last few words saying: "just go away if you dont like it!"