How are you handling your Novus upgrade?

[AngelicSence]

I understand many people would take pie.
But, how about spell speed. I mean, if we get enought healing speed, we could cast cure for 1.8 sec or less. That's pretty big I think. What do y'all say..

[Tranquil]

But, how about spell speed. I mean, if we get enought healing speed, we could cast cure for 1.8 sec or less. That's pretty big I think. What do y'all say..

Well, SPSP is not bad for WHMs. However, DET+PIE outshine it for this reason: scripted fights.

Sure, SPSP has gains that are not RNG-reliant (Crit), but because healers should not be healing on cooldown anyway, there is no real point in maximizing SPSP. You know when to cast that heal. You know when this and that happen. If something goes wrong beyond that - that SPSP wouldn't have (likely) helped you anyway.

I do think SPSP should be made a more interesting stat somehow and it could be what WHMs have synergy with (kind of like SCHs have good crit-synergy), but as it stands, in my opinion DET+PIE = king. It's not like it makes or breaks you though (and the High Allagan is still BiS regardless of it having SPSP because of that weapon damage).

[Moqi]

If I can get enough PIE to cast an extra Holy, I'll think about PIE. But if I can't, I'd rather go with Spell Speed. Makes me feel safer.

[Viviza]

In regards to stats, I just finished getting my scroll, and the quest text is pretty clear that you can meld up to five types of materia to the weapon.

So I don't see why, say, DET/PIE/CRIT would be a problem. As long as it adds up to 75 it should be fine.

[Kaze3434]

this is exactly what i want to know. i dont want to be forced to put the last 11 into acc. id love to do pie/det and the last 11 on sp.s or crit. leaning towards the sp.s.

for healer weps, it looks like acc is here to stay. its a bonus stat, and wont get removed when you upgrade

[Taika]

PIE and DET just have lower caps because that's how it is on all gear with them. You can look at any two pieces of gear in the same iLevel tier and this is the case, PIE and DET just cap lower than the rest. You will need to do the same amount of melds but end up with those caps in the end.

Actually, someone posted this image (3 different stats melded). So it would seem we really do get to pick up to 5 stats and they just need to reach 75 total.

[hqdm]

I've been thinking about stat efficiency, and I'm not sure how to weight the stats so to speak.
Crit/Det was what first jumped to mind as SCH.

I considered like, the amount of stat you get per materia.
CritIV = 9 crit, ssIV = 9 ss, DetIV = 6 det, PieIV = 6 pie

SE weights Det at ~0.7 per point of crit/accu/ss on gear, in regards to how they distribute substats, slightly higher than the materia value.
Daystar belt vs High Allagan belt is perhaps the purest example of this, the only differences being 13 crit on Daystar vs 9 det on HA.


As far as Novus goes: SS I'm not sure about because it increases in efficiency the more you have of it, and if we're slotting in a point by point situation, it'll take 9 novus points to equal 6 pie, if that makes sense. Likewise crit. In this case, it's moot for det, since we hit a cap at 31 or whatever. But what if (open mind, just consider it, lol) we consider maxing pie over crit first. Theoretically ending up with 31 det, 33 pie, 11 crit. Point-by-point, more efficient a weapon than 44 crit, 31 det, by what we're allowed according to a SE stat distribution metric.

I happen to have a perpetual thirst for crit, so it doesn't appeal to me as much, but I can't help but think about this stuff.

I'm not aware of any SCH-specific stat weights because we're multirole, and each stat contributes differently, unlike dps' single purpose.
While, yes, SCH in an ideal situation won't have mana issues, that doesn't mean we can't spec pie into the weapon, and remove it in other slots.
eg,. HA pants over Daystar pants, HA neck over Daystar neck (if you weren't already planning).

But I guess the main problem with this is that it's going to be at the expense of crit regardless, and so it's probably best to just avoid Pie in the weap, rearranging accessories if you're low. Easier to fix your accs later than it would be to redo the entire weapon. Even a det/ss dps build wouldn't require that extra pie since det/ss innately both come on gear with higher pie levels than crit gear does.

tl;dr Crit/Det for me

[givemeraptors]

tl;dr Crit/Det for me

The thing is that for SCH Crit and Pie have greater weight because they actively change our skills. Adlo crits are obvious, but Succor crits are also boosted because it still reduces the waste of overhealing since by definition you can't overshield. Pie enhances Aetherflow since it's a flat 25% regen unlike Shroud of Saints which is a set amount. Those two stats go further on SCH, but since SCH doesn't have MP issues (shouldn't have MP issues), it might be best to go with Det.

Also worth considering is that a SS build might actually become viable now if you're completely outfitted in SS gear and using Selene (her boost scales with your equipment, also not a flat rate). It might be worth testing out how low you can get your SS without the weapon and then judge whether max crit + SS is worth it.

[Hysterior]

4/75... it's gonna take a while...

[Estellios]

Actually, someone posted this image (3 different stats melded). So it would seem we really do get to pick up to 5 stats and they just need to reach 75 total.

Oh interesting. I was planning on sticking with SS/Det for my Thyrus but a little bit of Piety on the side is pretty cool, or maybe I'll distribute them evenly.