Quote Originally Posted by Betelgeuzah View Post
Then they should say that instead of asking for an AH. That's my point here. There are two ways to interpret what they are saying, so they should clarify. Those who say they don't want an AH because the marketplace is fine could clarify what they mean as well, but it's not too necessary. I mean, I'm sure they are not against improved marketplace [and everything included, not just AH] either.
I'm not even sure what your point is, honestly. The people who are asking for an AH don't want a literal AH with nothing else sufficing ever. They want the same functions as an AH, whether a separate entity or with the basic AH functions of the Wards upgraded to accomplish that. And on the other side, saying "I liked Wards better than AHs" is like saying "I like dogs better than canines."


Why should they change it? You are asking for them to do unnecessary work. Both can co-exist as well. But before that happens, the two systems are closely integrated and thus do not need to be kept separate in the discussion.
It's been shown multiple times that there's no reason they must be kept together, and anymore are really *unnecessarily* connected. Retainers buying and selling is a concept for the old bazaar-style wards. It is now an outdated relic that only adds *unnecessary work* to the system. That's why they should change it.

Quote Originally Posted by Peregrine View Post
They are not minor cases. AH botting and price speculation...market playing....were huge issues in 11. Botting dominates whatever activity that it can be used for, and you can never compete with it as a human. It only takes one botter for you to never be able to get an item on the ah for as long as they bot it unless you sit there and spam like it does. Eventually you have to sleep. It keeps scavenging the item you want.

So to me your choice is to pick up your items or pretty much pick up a pickaxe and run further.
That's absolutely not my choice. I've played XI for a while and NEVER had issues to the level you're implying by any means. Hecked, I've played MMOs since they were text based in the early 90s.

You're telling me I need to sacrifice convenience (convenience other games, including XI) allow me to deal with "bots" as if that's the only way to deal with botters, as if SE can't and hasn't banned them before. Numerous games, including games like WoW, have survived with *gasp* an Auction House that didn't require running, and botters did not ruin them.

It sounds like you're on a bit of witch hunt with this. I don't see many others freaking out about botters.