duty finder isn't there for you to spirit bond

[alhandra]

something something opinions

how was i taking advantage of my party? my ilvl was still 75, well beyond what is needed for CT. so what if i had some crafting gear on, my HP was still well above 7k and i tanked king behemoth with no problems. remind me how i am somehow abusing a system? i queued in gear that was well beyond the intented ilvl and i didnt cause a single wipe

is it because my tank is actually ilvl 86? who fking cares, i guarantee i still outperform 90% of the other tanks you will meet in the DF and im not even trying to brag. and tank isnt even my main

[Velthice]

Quoted from another post about ilvl.

Wearing crafting gear=intent to cause trouble for others, thus reportable

Kick them, report them. Forget them.

Heh, you might want to read what you quoted a little closer.

[Sapphic]

that is absolutely not what that post means. it means that: some people wear lower level gear to spiritbond... there is nothing wrong with that. some people wear lower ilvl gear just to grief (i.e. actual snowman suits and bikini's not glamours) and those people should be reported

that does not mean you are free to report anyone you find spiritbonding gear you dont approve of.

reading comprehension... can i have it?

Oh in that case, if i ever bumped into you in DF after queing as tank, ill switch to full crafting gear to SB. Is that ok?

Obviously that is what I meant! not 1 -2 accs as crafting gear >.<

Full left side in lvl 50 Patricians crafting gear. Right side full accs. How is that not intentto cause trouble? And yes, Ive seen it!

[Valthein]

Could we get an op to lock this thread, I don't see any point to it. in fact I see it as harassment from the players who are for this, just because people can SB and keep up where other people cant doesn't give you the right to harass them about it. If someone is causing a bunch of wipes then yes please report them and kick, but if they're just fine and there are no problems being seen because of their gear then your just as guilty and need to leave people alone.

[BobbinT]

Quoted from another post about ilvl.

Wearing crafting gear=intent to cause trouble for others, thus reportable

Kick them, report them. Forget them.

kewl, more tool for elitist to abuse others...

[alhandra]

what this really seems like to me is that people are just angry over the fact that some players are skilled enough to perform their jobs without needing full BiS gear. also they are lazy and cant be bothered to spiritbond their own gear so they try to rain on the parade's of those who try to make the most out of everything they do.

[Valthein]

what this really seems like to me is that people are just angry over the fact that some players are skilled enough to perform their jobs without needing full BiS gear. also they are lazy and cant be bothered to spiritbond their own gear so they try to rain on the parade's of those who try to make the most out of everything they do.

Agree completely!

[Welsper59]

how was i taking advantage of my party? my ilvl was still 75, well beyond what is needed for CT. so what if i had some crafting gear on, my HP was still well above 7k and i tanked king behemoth with no problems. remind me how i am somehow abusing a system? i queued in gear that was well beyond the intented ilvl and i didnt cause a single wipe

is it because my tank is actually ilvl 86? who fking cares, i guarantee i still outperform 90% of the other tanks you will meet in the DF and im not even trying to brag. and tank isnt even my main

Your specific case, with it just being the accessories bit (mostly), isn't really much of a problem, especially if it happened to be actual combat gear to SB. Even if it were crafting gear on the accessories slot, not that big of a deal. Heck, I even said it's not a big deal for every slot if it is combat gear in that post. Honestly though... 7k HP in crafting gear? REALLY??? How much crafting gear are we talking? A few slots? Just several accessories? Performance isn't very hindered in those cases, it's when people take out the primary equipment slots and replace them for crafting ones that end up impacting more than people think.

It's your perspective on the matter that I was referring to. If you see nothing wrong with spiritbinding the grand majority of your equip slots (or all of them) in a random DF, which is the primary argument people have here because it does happen, then I sincerely hope you encourage everyone in every party you're in to think as you do. The healer, tank, and DPS should all do this, as it's fair and beneficial for them. It takes nothing but skill to have a healer with slightly above base stats/MP and a tank with 2-3k HP survive these things apparently. That's a bit extreme right? Well your peers seem to not think so, and probably don't see anything wrong with them doing it themselves, as long as everyone else doesn't. What do you call that? There's a way to describe what that person is doing in that very situation...

You're not necessarily abusing the system, because it lets people do this (though just because you can, doesn't mean it's approved of or consequence free... e.g. harassment cases), it's just a matter of fairness. I'm sure you'd have no problems if others do this with you, right? I'd hope so, otherwise the word "hypocrite" comes to mind.

Of course, you do seem to have a decent grasp on restraining yourself with your binding efforts, so good on you with that. It's your peers that don't know this, and your lack of understanding what constitutes taking advantage of others isn't helping that.

[Sapphic]

what this really seems like to me is that people are just angry over the fact that some players are skilled enough to perform their jobs without needing full BiS gear. also they are lazy and cant be bothered to spiritbond their own gear so they try to rain on the parade's of those who try to make the most out of everything they do.

As Ive pointed out, its not people using gear thats suited for their role and at an Ilvl that the content is completeable. It's players going in equipped in full Patricians crafting gear and accs to SB. Or switching when they are inside after using their normal gear to get past the ilvl requirement.

Imagine trying to do any instance with the tank geared like that? No, it is not acceptable and it shouldn't be acceptable for any other role to do the same either.

[Sapphic]

kewl, more tool for elitist to abuse others...

How is it an elitist thing? If the tanks are in full crafting/gathering gear in, for example CT, and refuse to change. Then you can kick them and report them as they are obviously doing it to cause trouble. Same applies to any other role, and any other dungeon. Or switching to crafting gear in coil to SB. Or entering Coil in full ilvl70 PvP gear to bypass the ilvl gear requirement, as main tank. I've seen them both.

So how would that make some one an Elitist? Pro-tip: Find out what the word actually means before you start throwing it around

To reiterate: Players in FULL left and right side crafting/gathering gear, irregardless of role are reportable if they refuse to change. Not just a couple of accs.