After 12 Atmas, then what - 1,500 myth x 9?

[Welsper59]

I'm way more comfortable doing myth grinds and tasks In books to upgrade my weapon. With every brayflox run and every book complete, I feel like I'm actually accomplishing something. And with every book complete, my stat goes up by 2 points. The atma portion of the quest was the worst. Too many times I would grind for hours and have absolutely nothing gained from it. Then I literally feel like I just wasted 4-5 hours of my life.

Think of it as an eye opening experience to not go head first into everything. If you're spending 4-5 hours at a time on Atma, especially if there was no gains from it, and you feel burnt out after, you're probably going about it the wrong way. Some people don't mind long grind sessions with atma, very few of us are like that though. The Animus weapons are a far cry from the best gear available.

End game raiders should be more focused on Leviathan and 2nd Coil weapons. Those of us before that content should be perfectly fine progressing with relic Zenith. Everyone wants their relic weapons, that's a given even if you may not use them currently, but it shouldn't be done in a manner that hurts your own enjoyment of the game (or even actually hurting yourself irl). It may be a long grind, but the only people losing here are those who are causing these problems for themselves.

[Doki]

Devs feed on your tears.
Seriously though, it isn't as bad as it feels at first. Everything endgame gives myth. Just farm T1 through T5 coil for main or alts, do daily beastman quests & roulettes, or join the people speedrunning Brayflox hardmode. Soon they will raise the amount of myth things give, so it will go even faster.
From the sound of it, the next step that gets added soon will be even more time consuming. Bear in mind diminishing returns will always be a thing with endgame.

[Pyretta_Blaze]

Here is how I do it. I have fun completing the various content the game has to offer and am rewarded in different ways but almost always with Myth. When I see I have enough myth I buy another book. Yeah I'm only on book 6 but I am also not burned out.

I might push myself to run 1 or 2 more things if I feel like it to put me over the cost of a book but I don't stress out about it.

[Corfish]

Here is how I do it. I have fun completing the various content the game has to offer and am rewarded in different ways but almost always with Myth. When I see I have enough myth I buy another book. Yeah I'm only on book 6 but I am also not burned out.

I might push myself to run 1 or 2 more things if I feel like it to put me over the cost of a book but I don't stress out about it.

And this is how it should be done. When you have a task that looks like it takes forever to grind, you're supposed to take it gradually! You may not get your animus right away, but by god you'll enjoy playing the game a lot more than 99% of the people grinding for atma/animus.

[Ricky]

They really should have made the Atma version +1 weapon damage then the Animus version an additional +1 instead of Atma +0 and Animus +2.. doing those Atmas for no boost is pretty sad

[Themis]

Here is how I do it. I have fun completing the various content the game has to offer and am rewarded in different ways but almost always with Myth. When I see I have enough myth I buy another book. Yeah I'm only on book 6 but I am also not burned out.

I might push myself to run 1 or 2 more things if I feel like it to put me over the cost of a book but I don't stress out about it.

I'm on my 5th book. I started on day one as well, doing the atma grind. I've taken it fairly slowly, just buying books as I got enough Myth - some days I even bought a piece of Myth gear or two, just because I'm not that die hard about it. I aim to finish a book within a week of getting it, but I did have a week off. There's just no need to rush. I'm not pushing into SCoB, but if I were, I would have gone with farming Levi for a weapon rather than grind out on Animus. I'm doing the Animus because I like to have something to work on, and because I will eventually have it fully upgraded.

I respect those who are willing to torture themselves to keep ahead, but I'm just not that crazy.

[whiskeybravo]

I know, I know "pick a class and do that one" I don't want to. I equally enjoy playing them all. What a bummer. Thanks for the replies.

I felt the same way at first, I have 6 zeniths currently.. It is just literally impossible to do them for each one. At least there are different ways to acquire weapons, so you can still get good weapons on each class, just not the Animus (and future versions) for each one.

[Legacy_Wolfwood]

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though you did join after it became really easy to complete relics and obtain zeniths.. sooo. yeah.

before there was no echo, no trial roulette, i90 wasnt common in fights.. hell i80 wasnt either, you needed philosophy for the 1st part of the relic, myth had a cap, and youd have to decide where to properly invest your phil/myth. also since there was no trial roulette, youd had to /sh for parties (which most say full darklight) or df(from the access point) and hope and pray (kinda like how the EX DFs are now lol)

now its a cake walk that you can complete in an hr or so.

No need to complain about animus. eventually it'll get nerfed. then youll complain about the new steps

[IveraIvalice]

Think of it as an eye opening experience to not go head first into everything. If you're spending 4-5 hours at a time on Atma, especially if there was no gains from it, and you feel burnt out after, you're probably going about it the wrong way. Some people don't mind long grind sessions with atma, very few of us are like that though. The Animus weapons are a far cry from the best gear available.

End game raiders should be more focused on Leviathan and 2nd Coil weapons. Those of us before that content should be perfectly fine progressing with relic Zenith. Everyone wants their relic weapons, that's a given even if you may not use them currently, but it shouldn't be done in a manner that hurts your own enjoyment of the game (or even actually hurting yourself irl). It may be a long grind, but the only people losing here are those who are causing these problems for themselves.

I don't know anyone who is happy doing mindless tasks for 4-5 hours of their game time and nothing to show for it and I think it's a stretch to say that very few people are like that. There's no other way about going into it's just RNG. If you mean it's not the best way to go about getting a powerful weapon that's true but that wasn't the point I was trying to make. I knew that getting the atma weapon would be a long a boring process and I knew what I would be doing when I started it.

I was saying that out of the long quest line, the interesting and most rewarding part is the books because you can see progression with everything you do. Where as the atma grinding you may not see any gain through an entire play session.
I know that if I want quick strong weapons I can just go into coil but that isn't what the thread is about, aside from that I don't see another way I could approach RNG content, all you do is hope with every fate

[Welsper59]

I don't know anyone who is happy doing mindless tasks for 4-5 hours of their game time and nothing to show for it and I think it's a stretch to say that very few people are like that. There's no other way about going into it's just RNG. If you mean it's not the best way to go about getting a powerful weapon that's true but that wasn't the point I was trying to make. I knew that getting the atma weapon would be a long a boring process and I knew what I would be doing when I started it.

I was saying that out of the long quest line, the interesting and most rewarding part is the books because you can see progression with everything you do. Where as the atma grinding you may not see any gain through an entire play session.
I know that if I want quick strong weapons I can just go into coil but that isn't what the thread is about, aside from that I don't see another way I could approach RNG content, all you do is hope with every fate

Sorry, I guess I wasn't very clear on that. Yeah, I was partly referring to it not being your end-all be-all option for strong weapons. Part of the MMORPG genre is tedious grinding. It's not exactly a carnival of entertainment in doing that, but the mind-numbing grind is just a natural expectation from the genre. Thankfully, the game itself is not entirely based on that and is only here and there with heavy RNG grinds. Understanding the grind aspect means knowing how to go about it. My head-first comment refers to that.

A lot of people like to just bum-rush the content, as getting it done ASAP and by any means, is apparently the ultimate goal for anything. For most people, they had a heads up (or gained first-hand experience) about how long and monotonous the Atma process is. Still going in at it without any regard to that (like the 4-5hr comment, and essentially burning out in the process) is where people need to go about it differently. If the concern for someone is progression sake, as I said in the previous post, there are better or satisfactory options available in less of an RNG method.

Take a step back in rushing through the Atma line and go about it leisurely. You don't need it, and you have time. Heck, even now, with Novus approaching, people still have the time to get to that point. If you unlock Novus shortly after 2.28, regardless of it being better than 2nd coil weapons or not, what then? You have nothing more to gain from it. There's nothing new being introduced that demands Novus. What are you gonna do with it that would deem it necessary until 2.3? It won't make the RNG of getting Atma any faster... probably... but it'll save people a lot of frustration and stress if they realize this.

*edit: One other thing worth mentioning, as far as I'm aware of, the 2.3 additional CT content will still not be as good as 2nd Coil for rewards and probably won't offer any weapons at all. Again, making Novus stats not needed to complete things, meaning there's A LOT of time to get the questlines done. That's 2 content patches if that's the case.