[Suggestion] FC Retainer

[AttacKat]

LOL, back to blowing my own horn, tax system works, it is as plain and simple as that.

1. It is fair, everyone pays the same rate within the FC (However, FC A may only tax 5% while FC B taxes 8%, but that is up to the FC).
2. It is already in place for the market, SE just needs to redirect the funding they already take out from sale and purchase transactions.
3. SE will need to add an additional layer to processing the taxation in term of quest/FATE/Levs, but the truth is, they already have the coding in place to do that as well, since SE already keep track of FC credits from those activities.
4. No worries about who is cheating the FC out of their funds, and having to rely on players' own royalty to their FC.

BTW, for some reason I do not believe the FC retainer is more about making gils for the FC, but really hoping for more inv space. To sell items to the market, SE can simply allow FCs to sell their items from the company chest.

jc

[Nicobo]

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1. It is fair, everyone pays the same rate within the FC (However, FC A may only tax 5% while FC B taxes 8%, but that is up to the FC).
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For above idea, I suggest different ranks should have different rates.
ie, master 60% tax, officer 20% tax, member 5% tax.
ofcoz it will be customizable and eventually a lot of FC will have "no tax" as selling point. ^^;

[AttacKat]

ofcoz it will be customizable and eventually a lot of FC will have "no tax" as selling point. ^^;

LOL, in that case, that FC gave up their right to bitch about having zero FC funding to purchase that land/house.

jc

[Wintersandman]

tax system works, it is as plain and simple as that.

This would be one more reason why I wouldn't be in an FC. I am currently trying to understand the relevance of one in the first place. I can just form an LS for social, raiding, role playing... whatever I want it to be. There are lots of 3rd party tools outside of game to do calendaring, etc.

Is it a house? The rumor mill of personal housing would make this obsolete. So tell me what would be the point or benefit of a tax system to be a member of an FC. Or what is the point of an FC period.

[Zythrone]

Or what is the point of an FC period.

Community? FC actions? Company Chest?

A guild is noticeably less necessary in this game than in others, but it still has it's perks.

I for one just like being in a group with friends.

[Wintersandman]

Community? FC actions? Company Chest?

A guild is noticeably less necessary in this game than in others, but it still has it's perks.

I for one just like being in a group with friends.

But can't a LS be your community or group of friends? Company chest is trivial and the FC actions are laughable. Reduced teleport costs? You don't even have to grind for it and one daily roulette will cover a weeks worth of teleports.

Housing is the one thing that gives FC's a purpose.

[AttacKat]

I am currently trying to understand the relevance of one in the first place. ... Or what is the point of an FC period.

The FC currently does nothing much, other then being a group hangout. But then, part of this is because ARR is new, FC is new, and there are tons of content yet to be implemented, and hence FC is not 1st priority IMHO.

Some possible benefits:
1. FC bonuses, as we already have
2. Hosuing - Not working well ATM because market is still too crazy, and SE not removing the RMTs from the game isn't helping much. But the truth is, I can buy a small plot myself and get me a FC house, but why if personal housing is on the pipeline?
3. Shared task/chest/bank - This is borrowing from EVE-Online. This is one area where ARR seriously lacks, and can gain major benefits from when implemented with secured audits and features. Allocation/sharing of tasks such as craftings, gathering, and "team" building can offer major benefits. But this will require major enhancements in term of functionality into ARR. When we have this, FCs now can pre-allocate materials/task for members to perform, and in term helps the FC to get stronger, and members to level. But the first issue SE needs to address here is FC funding. None of this is going to happen if it all depends on how welling you are to part your gils on a personal basis - hence my push for FC taxes. Imagine, low level DoM/W/L gathers materials, deposits them into FC chest, crafters make gears/tools, which in term are used by everyone as they level up. *This*, is what a FC can become, a community that helps each other. But again, none of this is going to happen when it relies on how much gils you are welling to part on your own welling.

But ATM, FC serves no purpose, and hence why I am not in any rush to build up my solo-member-L8 FC up.

jc

[Niwashi]

4. No worries about who is cheating the FC out of their funds, and having to rely on players' own royalty to their FC.

Relying on players loyalty to the FC leads to players actually having some loyalty to their FC. Not everyone maybe, but enough that it shouldn't be lightly discarded.

I doubt anybody would ever contribute anything if there was a tax system in place, any more than people just randomly decide to give the government extra money IRL beyond what taxes they owe. I like a system where we can give gil to our FC because we care about the FC, and I think we'd lose that if taxes were taken out automatically. Too many people would stop trying to contribute the the FC and start just demanding they receive enough value from the FC to make up for the taxes they're being charged.

[Wintersandman]

Relying on players loyalty to the FC leads to players actually having some loyalty to their FC. Not everyone maybe, but enough that it shouldn't be lightly discarded.

I doubt anybody would ever contribute anything if there was a tax system in place, any more than people just randomly decide to give the government extra money IRL beyond what taxes they owe. I like a system where we can give gil to our FC because we care about the FC, and I think we'd lose that if taxes were taken out automatically. Too many people would stop trying to contribute the the FC and start just demanding they receive enough value from the FC to make up for the taxes they're being charged.

I agree with this. Like I said it would be one more reason for me to not be involved in an FC. FC's have no relevance and now I get taxed.

[Sounders]

I doubt anybody would ever contribute anything if there was a tax system in place, any more than people just randomly decide to give the government extra money IRL beyond what taxes they owe.

^^This

I consider FC as a community. Members would help each other whenever they can and if they are available.

If an FC becomes a government, wherein members are forced to pay for their services through taxes, then members would start to demand for the results on where the taxes would go. They better not spend the money into some useless furniture that is there only for vanity. They better put something in place that would make it easier for me to play the game. Perhaps a group that is always available whenever I want to run Brayflox.