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    Wondering on this Starter, What do u think about it?

    PB -> TS -> DK -> SP -> SP -> SP (PB off) -> BfB -> Fracture (optional) -> ToD -> BS -> IR -> TS -> HF -> Dem -> Peek -> DK -> TS -> SP... and go on


    But for this u need a minimal Skill Speed, but at full ilvl90 (with weap 95) I reached my best of 385dps in 3 minutes (without 2nd PB)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Momita View Post
    Wondering on this Starter, What do u think about it?

    PB -> TS -> DK -> SP -> SP -> SP (PB off) -> BfB -> Fracture (optional) -> ToD -> BS -> IR -> TS -> HF -> Dem -> Peek -> DK -> TS -> SP... and go on


    But for this u need a minimal Skill Speed, but at full ilvl90 (with weap 95) I reached my best of 385dps in 3 minutes (without 2nd PB)
    Snap punch and demolish do more per hit than Dragon kick or twin, as each give you 9% damage and 5% speed buff with each stack of greased, and do more potency initially than dragon or twin. You should replace one of those SP with a demolish and flipping the order would help damage as well. Greased lightning should always be the priority.
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    Lewena Yaeger
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    Quote Originally Posted by Momita View Post
    Wondering on this Starter, What do u think about it?

    PB -> TS -> DK -> SP -> SP -> SP (PB off) -> BfB -> Fracture (optional) -> ToD -> BS -> IR -> TS -> HF -> Dem -> Peek -> DK -> TS -> SP... and go on


    But for this u need a minimal Skill Speed, but at full ilvl90 (with weap 95) I reached my best of 385dps in 3 minutes (without 2nd PB)
    The computation I am doing is the potency per initial GCD, that is the one you have without GL buff. And I am comparing the opener proposed in the OP to the following, which is a little bit better than the one you proposed.
    PB -> Twin -> DK -> Demo -> SP -> SP (PB off) -> BS -> True -> Dem -> DK -> Twin -> SP... and go on
    By the way, I am using the full potency of Demolish, not counting for the fact that in both openers it is clipped; this however favors your opener as in the OP opener Demolish runs for a little longer while still clipping it. Furthermore, the skill speed part of GL buff is counted as a multiplier as your current GCD is reduced wrt your inital one. I also assume that the GL and Twin buffs are additive. If anyone can confirm (or not). Please correct me if my numbers are incorrect.

    310 + 180*(1.09*1.05) + 180*(1.18*1.1) + 150*(1.27*1.15) + 180*(1.27*1.15)*1.1 = 1258
    140 + 150*1.1 + 310*1.1 + 180*(1.19*1.05)*1.1 + 180*(1.28*1.1)*1.1 = 1172

    Adding the first cycle, your opener will be more interesting as rear combo is better for pure damage and you have already all your buffs/debuff up.
    310 + 180*(1.09*1.05) + 180*(1.18*1.1) + 150*(1.27*1.15) + 180*(1.27*1.15)*1.1 + 150*(1.27*1.15)*1.1 + 140*(1.27*1.15)*1.1 + 310*(1.37*1.15) = 2212
    140 + 150*1.1 + 310*1.1 + 180*(1.19*1.05)*1.1 + 180*(1.28*1.1)*1.1 + 150*(1.37*1.15)*1.1 + 190*(1.37*1.15)*1.1 + 310*(1.37*1.15) = 2250

    Adding the next cycle,for math, we need some critical rate: 50% which is here again favoring your opener. Also I assume that DK debuff drops before Boot in the OP opener.
    [310 + 180*(1.09*1.05) + 180*(1.18*1.1) + 150*(1.27*1.15) + 180*(1.27*1.15)*1.1 + 150*(1.27*1.15)*1.1 + 140*(1.27*1.15)*1.1 + 310*(1.37*1.15)]*(1+0.5*0.5) + 225*(1.37*1.15)*1.1 + [190*(1.37*1.15)*1.1 + 180*(1.37*1.15)*1.1]*(1+0.5*0.5) = 3957
    [140 + 150*1.1 + 310*1.1 + 180*(1.19*1.05)*1.1 + 180*(1.28*1.1)*1.1 + 150*(1.37*1.15)*1.1 + 190*(1.37*1.15)*1.1 + 310*(1.37*1.15) + 150*(1.37*1.15)*1.1 + 140*(1.37*1.15)*1.1 + 180*(1.37*1.15)*1.1]*(1+0.5*0.5) = 3831

    Basically, the difference between the two opener is minimal. The difference between 1258 and 1172 is ~8% over 10s. Counting for the fact that the skill are 2/3 of our dps and on a 5min length fight, it would come 0.2% difference overall. That's really nothing.

    However, I agree with you that the use of oGCD skills can be delayed as you are proposing. Indeed it depends on the length of the fight. If using them at the start of the fight allows for another use, it is more interesting, if not, delaying them until all buffs are one is more benefitial. Also, you can use IR just after Fracture or ToD as Boot will not automatically crit in your opener.

    By the way, for robustness reason, I prefer to start constructing GL3 first, then DK debuff since if for any reason you only 4 skills during PB, it will not mess up the following skills. Basically if at the end of PB, you have GL3 and DK debuff, the difference is minimal. Also I prefer to follow PB with a flank combo instead of the rear one ahigher will not automatically crit. Edit: it is also because I am a little bit of lazy and I prefer to stick to the flank.

    Edit2: the difference of 0.2% is for a 5 min length fight, for some specific mechanics it can be higher of course.
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    Last edited by Lewena; 06-03-2014 at 06:03 AM. Reason: Don't know what I was doing at the same time, there was much errors in the maths

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    Hi!
    I main MNK and I'm ilvl 96...but I wondering...am I really on track for BIS atm? I've been stacking determination and accuracy where possible...I have however opted for the Animus ...so it's not going to be the "best" best in slot >.<

    Can anyone suggest my next Soldiery purchase if any? Here is my character...
    http://eu.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...acter/1827650/

    It might show Allagan Choker...but I now have the ribbon of slaying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pomelo View Post
    Hi!
    I main MNK and I'm ilvl 96...but I wondering...am I really on track for BIS atm? I've been stacking determination and accuracy where possible...I have however opted for the Animus ...so it's not going to be the "best" best in slot >.<

    Can anyone suggest my next Soldiery purchase if any? Here is my character...
    http://eu.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...acter/1827650/

    It might show Allagan Choker...but I now have the ribbon of slaying.
    either u get weathered or upgraded Glanzfaust or u can try stacking weathered gloam ring with the upgraded gloam ring, all three items got ur favourite acc det stats
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