Please change "marriage" name for "Menphina's Pledge"

[Edellis]

This thread is insane. I cant even.

[Kuwagami]

This thread is insane. I cant even.

Please explain your point of view. Keep it constructive ^^

[Orophin]

In the words of Sterling Archer: "Phrasing!"

Calling it something else would help I think, as long as there are no boundaries to this "Pledge". That's really the issue at hand: people being able to have same-sex couplings. There's plenty of reasons: plenty of guys playing girl chars and they have girl friends on in-game girl characters they want to get hitched to, same gendered people wanted to be paired, the list goes on.

I recall a situation in FFXI where a couple of people I knew (in-game anyway) got a sanctioned GM marriage. The guy had a Mithra char but he made a male Elvaan for the marriage. (the other char was a female Elvaan) Anyway, years later the guy finally found out the person he married was actually a guy IRL, but that other person did such a fantastic job of role-playing and never tried to dissuade anyone from flirting with them.

Anyway, in summary I think that different wording would go a long ways for this and that SE needs to include as many people as possible. I'm sure they have their own thoughts on things though, so this is either going to end up a very popular feature or a very exclusive one, depending on which way they decide to go with it.

[Lego3400]

As a gay man I am normally against offering a different but identical thing, due to the connotations it normally has.

In this case however I support it, no one is getting Marriage. As such no one can complain that any specific marriage is wrong (Be it same sex, different in game races etc) since it's not Marriage in the first place, even for different sex Hyur couples.

I will say I don't think anyone would quit the game just because of same-sex marriage being implemented.

If they do, we probably didn't want them here in the first place.

[LoLo]

I just think that maybe people are taking the marriage system a little too serious. At this point I wouldn't care if they didn't add marriage into the game because of the feedback they get from the forums.

[Naunet]

To be perfectly fair and honest, it is indeed not *needed* (technically speaking). The world won't end if it's called "marriage" in the end. However, don't you think it would be a miss if we don't take advantage of our world's lore for new features that are coming ?

I don't see how calling it marriage doesn't take advantage of lore. It doesn't need a special name to be based in lore.

[Yumi_umi]

I support it even more if it is tied to lore as it will give it a trait that will somewhat make it easier to differentiate Eorzea from real life.
If it's tied to lore then by all means it has every right to do anything it pleases, even if it is deemed unacceptable in the real word. It's in a fictional game which is not real life thus should not have real life problems influencing it.
Also since it's tied into lore, it'll allow more freedom of roleplaying and more " fantasy" esque things.
The ppl who push for equality in LGBT communities are just as bad as the people who push for inequality.
The only thing that should cause an uproar is if marriage gave bonus stats.
The fight would then be between singles and couples.

[kidvideo]

The ppl who push for equality in LGBT communities are just as bad as the people who push for inequality.

This statement is baffling. Unless you're generalizing based on an example of poor behavior. Otherwise...

[Rose_Vilehart]

This controversy could have been avoided if they just didn't add it in XD eh i can still rp my yuri couple, marriage is just words and some documents, true love doesn't need that crap

[Kuwagami]

I don't see how calling it marriage doesn't take advantage of lore. It doesn't need a special name to be based in lore.

As english isn't my native language, I'll edit this if I get myself misunderstood on the following point :


While a union (especially "love" union) in a MMO, regardless of lore, restrictions or debates, is a great feature in order to build and maintain a strong community sense and to allow more socialization, a name as generic as "marriage" has little to no attachment value to the game.

There are "marriages" in a lot of games, and regardless of the lore, most of said games just call it "marriage". The result is a loss of what makes these games unique : their story and traditions. There are stories, tales, religions, gods, all different in different games. Yet the union is nearly always called the same, "marriage".

However, having a different name makes it unique. Different rites, different name, different world. Each MMO should be different, and not only on its core lore, but also on its side lore. All the little things we love to do or explore should be a part of what makes a game unique.

Applied to Eorzea, it leads us to some statements :
=> The lore is present in every little detail. Each ruin, isle, ship, village.. has its history. Some are yet to be known, some were revealed not so long ago (think Sapsa spawning ground, why were they there, so close to Limsa ? Now we know)
=> Many if not all players who interested themselves in the lore are well aware that the gods we worship under the name of "the Twelve" are real entities, even though in 2.0+ story we have yet to find any physical presence of them (only Hydaelyn revealed herself at the moment). They even have a sanctuary, and all Eorzea share their cult. Also, each god has his/her own field of specialization. One of them being Menphina the Lover.


Now IF we want to bring more community sense, a feature like this union becomes a great idea. For the points I've already said in this thread (page 4 mainly).
But IF we want more attachment to the world of Eorzea itself, every little detail making it more unique counts. The ceremony to celebrate the tie between two beings is no different. Making it unique, with unique naming lore-related, would contribute towards a pleasant feeling for the game universe.

I believe that's what MMO-RPG is about : dream, adventure, freedom, fantasy. This world is not one world among others. For the time we're in, it's our world. Let's make it unique and let the fantasy live. One more time for the final time.


honestly, if you read all that, thank you for reading, and thank you for anything you could say which could improve my english or the sense I wanted to put in my message. Also, thanks again for all the feedback. ありがとう ございます