Please change "marriage" name for "Menphina's Pledge"

[Kuwagami]

Edit regarding Today's Live Letter in E3 (06/10/2014) :
Now that we know that Eorzea's union will not be restricted by race or gender, this suggestion becomes purely a Lore suggestion as there is no debate left to avoid. Give Menphina some love to witness, she deserves it.

Shall her wisdom guide your path.

A union between lovers as it's planned in the sanctuary of the Twelve should be strongly related to Menphina. After all, She is The Lover. Couples all over Eorzea should seek her benediction for their happy life together.

bring some sense in the whole union feature announced, as it really should focus a lot on the lore of Eorzea. That's why I chose the name "Menphina's Pledge" (please notice that I'm far from adamant on the name, it's just a fitting name I came with). With all the possibilities that SE could have, it would be disappointing to have a plain "marriage" without a deep story behind it, traditions, and relation to the cult of the Twelve.

(this quote was originally about the aim of this thread, before SE announced anything about the name. I do think however that "eternal union" could find a better lore-fitting name. But that may just be me (^_^)/ )

While a union (especially "love" union) in a MMO, regardless of lore, restrictions or debates, is a great feature in order to build and maintain a strong community sense and to allow more socialization, a name as generic as "marriage" has little to no attachment value to the game.

There are "marriages" in a lot of games, and regardless of the lore, most of said games just call it "marriage". The result is a loss of what makes these games unique : their story and traditions. There are stories, tales, religions, gods, all different in different games. Yet the union is nearly always called the same, "marriage".

However, having a different name makes it unique. Different rites, different name, different world. Each MMO should be different, and not only on its core lore, but also on its side lore. All the little things we love to do or explore should be a part of what makes a game unique.

Applied to Eorzea, it leads us to some statements :
=> The lore is present in every little detail. Each ruin, isle, ship, village.. has its history. Some are yet to be known, some were revealed not so long ago (think Sapsa spawning ground, why were they there, so close to Limsa ? Now we know)
=> Many if not all players who interested themselves in the lore are well aware that the gods we worship under the name of "the Twelve" are real entities, even though in 2.0+ story we have yet to find any physical presence of them (only Hydaelyn revealed herself at the moment). They even have a sanctuary, and all Eorzea share their cult. Also, each god has his/her own field of specialization. One of them being Menphina the Lover.


Now IF we want to bring more community sense, a feature like this union becomes a great idea. For the points I've already said in this thread (page 4 mainly).
But IF we want more attachment to the world of Eorzea itself, every little detail making it more unique counts. The ceremony to celebrate the tie between two beings is no different. Making it unique, with unique naming lore-related, would contribute towards a pleasant feeling for the game universe.

I believe that's what MMO-RPG is about : dream, adventure, freedom, fantasy. This world is not one world among others. For the time we're in, it's our world. Let's make it unique and let the fantasy live. One more time for the final time.


honestly, if you read all that, thank you for reading, and thank you for anything you could say which could improve my english or the sense I wanted to put in my message. Also, thanks again for all the feedback. ありがとう ございます

(that whole post was about why the union feature should be lore-related deeply. I don't expect a lot of people reading the damn wall of text though )

The idea is to have a strong ceremony lore-related, which will increase our bond to the world of Eorzea. Increase immersion in the game, to make us stay for even longer, because we would love the game even more.



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Original post (05/27/2014):

As anyone can see, the whole marriage thing is bringing a lot of hate, trolling and flame war in the forum community. It makes a lot of us wonder about the meaning of marriage being implemented at all.

have it but restrict it : LGBT, inter-race, whatever people may come with... All is subject to controversial arguments

Don't have it at all : Good idea but it comes too late. Too many announcement on it to remove it like that I guess :/

have it open for all : You've already witnessed the flame war when people asked nicely for it. Now that the answer is "maybe, after some feedback", the flame war is coming as well from people who wanted it in the first place.


However, the major problem of this can be shortened to one thing, really : the word "marriage".

We do not have any RL religion in Eorzea. As fellow adventurers, we worship the Twelve and Hydaelyn. Thus the ceremonies should be very specific to our world.

A union between lovers as it's planned in the sanctuary of the Twelve should be strongly related to Menphina. After all, She is The Lover. Couples all over Eorzea should seek her benediction for their happy life together. And as far as we know, Menphina knows no limit on who should love who.

I really think it would solve many things about the flame war going in with some religious theorical arguments behind it. Remove the ties to real world, create a whole new thing. That's what fantasy is about.




I'd love to hear everyone's opinion on it, as long as you remain polite and keep the whole "gay marriage" crappy debate out of it. I do not ask for gay marriage here. I'm asking for a lore-related, Eorzean bond between those who are in love.

Take player marriage, change it to a Battle Brother/Sister Oath.

All the rewards player marriage was going to have (I believe we could teleport to each other?) instead go to players who take that oath. It has no romantic undertones like marriage does, meaning nobody can take issue with two dudes taking it, and more people can actual involve in the content. How many people are actually going to get married in XIV? Anyone who isn't wont be getting any content from this as it stands. A platonic oath on the other hand, that's open to everyone, except for Jimmy-No-Mates. Anyone who wants the oath to have romantic meaning can give it romantic meaning themselves.

that would work also, but I am trying to keep the meaning of what SE promised already.

[Kat_Manx]

People will still whine. /comfort

[Nalien]

"Love" should not be involved in this content...

Take the wedding vanity gear, make them a recipe reward for completing a quest involving two NPCs getting married (fairly sure we had a side quest leading into that already, which called it marriage by the way).

Take player marriage, change it to a Battle Brother/Sister Oath.

All the rewards player marriage was going to have (I believe we could teleport to each other?) instead go to players who take that oath. It has no romantic undertones like marriage does, meaning nobody can take issue with two dudes taking it, and more people can actual involve in the content. How many people are actually going to get married in XIV? Anyone who isn't wont be getting any content from this as it stands. A platonic oath on the other hand, that's open to everyone, except for Jimmy-No-Mates. Anyone who wants the oath to have romantic meaning can give it romantic meaning themselves.

[Dashuto]

Its an Online VIDEO GAME.

Online. VIDEO. GAME.

ONLINE!.... VIDEO!..... GAME!!!!

[Seoulstar]

I can't believe people are seriously complaining about this..

[Quesse]

I have no complaints with what SE is doing and how they are doing it.

[uryell]

I can't believe people are seriously complaining about this..

unfortunately, i think they are.
(And this petition is absurd)

[Kuwagami]

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And it should remain a game. SE adding such a feature should serve at most roleplay purpose. But many people everywhere take it really personally and it's really boring/pathetic to see. Hence this thread, to give a concession.
Nice gif though, I'll save it for other occasions

I can't believe people are seriously complaining about this..

"about this"... what ? Marriage or ssm ? Either way, not the point here, there is a plethora of threads created and deleted about that.

I have no complaints with what SE is doing and how they are doing it.

Me neither. However I have complaints with the childish attitude we can see sometimes on the forums. The flame war must cease at one point

(And this petition is absurd)

Your opinion is welcome about why you think this petition is absurd.

How many different threads must we have?

I'm pretty sure that there hasn't been any thread like this one. Considering I am not asking for marriage (for anyone). I am in the "don't add it" side. Though as SE promised it, it will happen. All I can do now is to try and suggest something which would possibly stop the flame war that has been rampaging since weeks

[Pantz]

How many different threads must we have?

[Issac]

I can't believe people are seriously complaining about this..

How many different threads must we have?

Never underestimate the tenacity of the voice of the LGBT community. Honestly they have been tackling dissenting opinion with the same vigor as the women's rights movement generations ago.

They're out to change opinion in every theatre they can. Can you blame them?

On topic, honestly this is a great idea as it tries to sidestep the RL issue entirely.