Brayflox HM - All sorts of Chaos

[Foo01]

Is true that Brayflox HM has the shortest queue time?

It seems that it gets all types of players almost all the time. And perhaps because I shouldn't have try to grind it this past weekend maxing soldiery and trying to get more myths, but it seems that it really it like a "box of chocolates" so to speak.

I've done tank, healer, and dps on there. It seems that tanks and healers gets equal amount of flak. As tank, I get this, pull more, pull less. And one time, after everyone says they were ready, I pulled just 6 mobs, and the healer in like iLevel90+ gears says "WTF" and rage quits.

Then as healer, I have gotten this, some tank runs off as soon as they get protect and pulls the whole zone from the get go ends up behind the bridge or something and dies and complains he only got 1 heal. I can't even move into position in time to heal the lousy iLevel80 tank and we wipe. Immediately, the tank does it again, and I barely squeeze in 2 lustrates and the party wipes again. The tank rage quits after ranting about how he's done 6 min 30 sec runs.

Granted most runs don't end up in messes like this. But it really runs the gamut.

But it seems as DPS I can be mostly oblivious, as long as the mobs and bossed burn down there are no issues. I know some people want to speed run and some people are new, but if people don't communicate and just rage quits it doesn't solve any problems.

Perhaps I am jinxing myself, but luckily, I have not ran into the moron that just wants to abuse the duty finder for myths and quits after the 2nd boss.

[Raeanya]

I had this last night on roulette. The tank did a SR pull and we wiped twice. I told him that I was only ilvl74, and he apologized and pulled less. He said it was his fault that he didn't check to see what kind of gear I had, though I plan to announce from now on that I am still undergeared for a SR (I'm now at ilvl 78 after the dungeon dropped DL ring and body, and I picked up myth boots). We finished the run with no other deaths. Communication is key.

[necrosis]

Welcome to the problem I always have.

Every time I ask for some communication I am met with "Learn to adapt". Or when someone asks how the pulls will go I get "Oh god some nub. Want me to pull one mob at a time nub?".

2 books worth of myth and tanks always stopped at the bottom of the ramp. Then I get one war who pulls to the top thus dieing as i already popped seal and he was already half dead because I didn't expect it. "You stupid WHM you always pull to the top." "No you stupid tank in about 30 runs no one has ever pulled to the top."

I don't ask for a lot. After that I started asking. "How many groups?" "Where are you stopping?" "Pulling to boss?" "Lockout?"

[Charisma]

My favorite are tanks that pull the first level, and then think they can just stand there eat all the AoE and activating all the cooldowns at once will do the job.
also those type of tanks seem to think the Scholar can spam heal Cure 2.

[Luxx]

As a SCH, I LOVE when tanks ask me for big or small pulls.
I ask for small ones...because there's no way I can heal you if you're taking ALL the mobs from to the bridge.
Remembering a previous thread like this where I said I had a hard time healing Warriors who take too many mobs.
Had tips before, and I've tried them, it's doesn't work lol. That's why I hate Bray HM sometimes. Tanks think it's okay
and assume that healers can take the entire map without asking.

Would like to read if or how WHM's can do this. SCH are not burst healers so I'm pretty curious how their runs go.
Pretty sure it goes a hell of a lot better than SCH's.

[Corfish]

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I've had tanks make pulls I'm not comfortable with in Bray HM even after I explicitly state what I am comfortable handling. "I can heal through anything picked up here to there, and you just need to split that group and we'll be fine." It was kind of annoying the tank ignored me and made pulls I said I wasn't comfortable with. Luckily he must've been better geared than other tanks since I was able to keep him healed up. Generally speaking I get more patient DF groups, but this guy wasn't having none of that. Maybe he was just confident in himself, but I know I would've been blamed had anything gone wrong =/

[Moheeheeko]

This is why outside of the expert roulette I NEVER run Bray HM

[TiyaKelth]

2 books worth of myth and tanks always stopped at the bottom of the ramp. Then I get one war who pulls to the top thus dieing as i already popped seal and he was already half dead because I didn't expect it. "You stupid WHM you always pull to the top." "No you stupid tank in about 30 runs no one has ever pulled to the top."

While I believe you that most don't pull to the top, the reason many do (myself included), is that you don't have to deal with the bomb aoe's if you pull up to near the stream.

[Ghishlain]

Would like to read if or how WHM's can do this. SCH are not burst healers so I'm pretty curious how their runs go.
Pretty sure it goes a hell of a lot better than SCH's.

Both healer jobs can do the pull, it's a matter of having a mutual understanding between the healer and the tank. The healer has to know how the tank is going to be pulling and the tank needs to ease the strain on the healer by making use of their cool downs to mitigate oncoming damage to manageable levels. DPS need to burn as hard as humanly possible to alleviate the strain as quickly as possible. This is tantamount to having the appropriate gear level to make these kinda pulls happen. When setting up a PF for it, my FC tends to stick to i85+, but my own BLM is only about 82 or 83 and we still do just fine.

Depending on your setup, one type of healer is better than the other. When I run as WAR BLM DRG, I find WHM can easily shave 40-50 seconds off the run thanks to the power of Holy. In a double BLM setup, SCH is more beneficial because Selene spell speed buff means faster kills on the groups. Pick and choose your healer based on the scenario given - both have the capability to do it, just one may be better than the other depending on party composition. Finally, the party as a whole need to be geared and skilled to have success at it and speed runs aren't in everyone's blood.

[Daenerys_Sedai]

Would like to read if or how WHM's can do this. SCH are not burst healers so I'm pretty curious how their runs go.
Pretty sure it goes a hell of a lot better than SCH's.

With a tank who knows what s/he is doing and decent DPS, I have no problem healing as SCH taking first pull up the ramp (easier this way because no longer avoiding cannonballs) and locking out those 2-3 little mobs at boss after first pull down. Tips:
1) Save E4E until tank has come to a stop (it's wasted while he's running);
2) Understand that most tanks are going to pop their cooldowns immediately. This gives you some breathing room. Swiftcast Shadowflare and Miasma II if you can.
3) Meanwhile, pop illum and whisper
4) There are times where you may be casting adlo one right after the other. don't be afraid to do so.

That all said, WHM could probably last a bit longer healing if DPS sucks or lacks good AoE (i.e., both DPS are sub i80 melee). but if it gets to that point, then you shouldn't be trying to SR anyway.