The future of Thief and Ninja (minor 2.2 spoilers)

[Reynhart]

I didn't say Samurai used swords at all, I know they use katana.

You said one-handed Katana was as iconic for Ninja than two-handed katanas were for Samurai, which is wrong.
Dual Wield is what makes Ninja appealing

If assassin doesn't exist in tactics then what is this?
http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/A...ctics_Advance)
Also All tactics games exist in the same world. By the way, this same game has both Ninja and Assassin as separate options to play as. Yugiri looks more like the Assassin job in this tactics game than the Ninja job that is within the very same game.

This is something not in Final Fantasy Tactics, where assassins were not playable, but in Tactics Advance...like I said in my post. Please use the proper game name when you mention it.
In FFTA ans FFTA2, Ninja and Assassin are very close, but each one is race restricted.


And, seriously, they look pretty much the same...

I never said ninja did not dual wield.

I never said you did. I only pointed that Assassin ennemies in FFT can use Dual Wield too, an iconic skill of Ninja which, again, brings Assassin very close to the Ninja archetype, only with a different name as to separate player jobs from enemy jobs.

Also in FFXIV you could equip two weapons and guess what? No one in the first version of FFXIV was a ninja.

No one can equip two weapons at the same time in FFXIV... The only FF game where everyone can equip two weapons is Final Fantasy III. In IV, only Edge can do it, in V, you need Dual Wield, learned from Ninja, as in Tactics series.

The most recent example is Bravely Default where there were two traits, Dual Wield and Two Handed. Only one of those traits came from leveling a Ninja.

In Bravely Default, Ninja is the only one we can uses two weapons with maxed efficiency.
And what does Two-handed have to do here ?! It allows you to wield one weapon with two hands, thus PREVENTING you from equipping a second weapon.
I mean, it's interesing to have several opinions, but, please, don't make your point by using wrons statements.

I don't really understand what you mean by this. Player characters are created to stand out from the rest of the npcs, of course they will be colorful. If it is a special job armor it will follow the style of the series, which is black. The only thing purple on Yugiri is her hood.

Job quests NPC also stands out from the rest of the NPC. Almost every NPC that gives the job quest wears something iconic to the job. And, appart from the PC Ninjas, what ninjas do you find in the series, anyway ?

[LoLo]

I did not say Ninja is one handed while Samurai is two handed as well as some other things you posted that were not what I said as well. You seem obsessed with responding to me (you have only posted to reply to my comments for the past three-four days but ignore everyone else's post) and most of what you say is made up and just assumptions. I will be posting here still but will not be engaging you anymore after this post.

You ignored the fact that both of those jobs play completely different. To me they do not look the same in appearance.

Ninja: Skills
Throw
Wood Veil
Fire Veil
Earth Veil
Metal Veil
Water Veil
Unspell
Oblivion
ReactionEdit
Last Haste
Double Sword
Ninja Combo

Assassin: Skills
Shadowbind
Last Breath
Aphonia
Nightmare
Ague Ranger
Rockseal
Oblivion
Ultima Masher
Return Fire
Killer Combo

You ignored their skills just to say they are the same in a ditch effort to prove I'm wrong when I'm not.

My whitemage and blackmage in my party in the game Bravely default are holding two staffs/rods. Yet I haven't even unlocked ninja yet. hmmmm

[Reynhart]

I do not see Ninja being released in this game and not using a ninjato/katana. There is a standard that SE goes by, as they create more games they fine tune them and build on them. That is like making Samurai use a long sword instead of a long katana.

You CLEARLY said that ninjato/katana is iconic to Ninja like 2-handed Katana is iconic to Samurai.
Which is wrong. Ninja have always used daggers along ninja blades, whereas samurai couldn't even equip swords. And in FFV, there's no "Equip ninja blade" passive skill to learn from ninja.

To me they do not look the same in appearance.

Same hat, same mouth-covering mask, same sleeves, same pants...indeed they have nothing in common

Water Veil - Silence / Aphonia - Silence
Earth Veil - Slow / Ague - Slow
Oblivion - Addle / Oblivion - Addle (WHAT ?! They SHARE a skill ?!)
Ninja combo / Killer combo...both learned from the same weapon (And only those two)
Again, they reaaally have nothing in common

Did I mention that Assassins in FFTA and FFTA2 don't learn Dual Wield ?

My whitemage and blackmage in my party in the game Bravely default are holding two staffs/rods. Yet I haven't even unlocked ninja yet. hmmmm

So what ? Yugiri's a White Mage now cause they can dual wield natively in Bravely Default ?
I even wonder why Bravely Default is in this topic, since it's not a FF game. And you brought it to mention two traits to allow you to Dual Wield efficiently, which is, again, wrong.

[Kletian]

Ninjas have Dual wielded since FF3, but often they would still use "Euro swords" and daggers even when more eastern blades were an option, often being the sole users of Boomerang type weapons or sharing them with thieves. FFXIV marries weapon type to class, so "Dual blades" or something similarly generic will be shared between thief/classname/ninja with perhaps more eastern designs and names being put on Job specific versions much like how Scholar books are different from Summoner ones. There will likely be no overlap with existing Gladitor "daggers".

[LoLo]

Ninjas have Dual wielded since FF3, but often they would still use "Euro swords" and daggers even when more eastern blades were an option, often being the sole users of Boomerang type weapons or sharing them with thieves. FFXIV marries weapon type to class, so "Dual blades" or something similarly generic will be shared between thief/classname/ninja with perhaps more eastern designs and names being put on Job specific versions much like how Scholar books are different from Summoner ones. There will likely be no overlap with existing Gladitor "daggers".

Interesting, the only example I can find that has Thief gain Dual Wield is in FFXI after the level increased pass level 75. I assume that reason the devs did this because Thieves were forced to subjob ninja. Not having to subjob ninja anymore allowed Thieves to sub something else, however they still needed Ninja to access shadows.

[Kletian]

Interesting, the only example I can find that has Thief gain Dual Wield is in FFXI after the level increased pass level 75. I assume that reason the devs did this because Thieves were forced to subjob ninja. Not having to subjob ninja anymore allowed Thieves to sub something else, however they still needed Ninja to access shadows.

I was talking about ninjas being the dual wielders and most importantly them using non-katana/ninja-to weapons, so I don't understand your reply. That said:

Dual wielding is available to most (but not all) classes in FF3, including thief. In FF6 the Genji glove controlled who dual wielded, which Locke could equip. FF5 they could not unless you equipped the trait from having leveled ninja, like FF11. FF9 Zidane was a thief who used either twin daggers (dual wielding with one "weapon" or two daggers stuck together to form a twinblade spear/staff. In FFT Dual wielding worked like FF5.

[LoLo]

I was talking about ninjas being the dual wielders and most importantly them using non-katana/ninja-to weapons, so I don't understand your reply. That said:

Dual wielding is available to most (but not all) classes in FF3, including thief. In FF6 the Genji glove controlled who dual wielded, which Locke could equip. FF5 they could not unless you equipped the trait from having leveled ninja, like FF11. FF9 Zidane was a thief who used either twin daggers (dual wielding with one "weapon" or two daggers stuck together to form a twinblade spear/staff. In FFT Dual wielding worked like FF5.

My reply was me thinking of a job that is not Ninja who also has dual wield. Its adding to the conversatation, not every post has to be a debate on who is right or wrong. Earlier another user was trying to debate that Ninja is the only job that ever had dual wield to confirm that Yugiri is a Ninja.

[Hadeed]

guessing , THE or Assassin is a class , Ninja is the job

[Pterois]

am i the only one who thinks it would be awesome to not include all the combos possible and let us figure out the new jobs? just tell us ok they're out there.

[Malrend]

There is no Thief.. Only Treasure Hunter.. Not involved in any illicit activities what-so-ever, nope.