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  1. #131
    Player TeganLaron's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elim View Post
    To add onto my other post, I've also managed to heal through adds exploding in bad PuGs. The group wouldn't necessarily wipe without fluid aura. It's really unnecessary.
    Well, that's your opinion, but I've been in situations where that's just flat out not the case. DPS off the side, no stuns left, when hysteria debuff hits it would be a wipe. But Fluid Aura knockback/interrupt gives the extra few seconds needed to kill it off.

    I'm not saying "OMG EVERY ADD NEEDS FLUID AURA" I'm saying there are uses for all skills in this game. If you're saying there is no use at all in this game for Fluid Aura then that's just wrong. And that's not an opinion, that's a fact.
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    Last edited by TeganLaron; 05-28-2014 at 09:41 AM.

  2. #132
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    Elim Lovecraft
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    I must not have been in truly terrible PuGs then. To be honest though, I don't PuG often.
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  3. #133
    Player TeganLaron's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elim View Post
    I must not have been in truly terrible PuGs then. To be honest though, I don't PuG often.
    Fair enough. PUG Leviathan is a bit hit and miss. A group can go from a one shot attempt, to half the group taking swimming lessons next time.
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  4. #134
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    Femke Fisker
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    This is exactly why I stopped tanking
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  5. #135
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    Biuma Arvinda
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    Some people can't take a hint, ever. That's the only problem with giving polite advice.

    Case in point, a SMN who had Titan Egi out for almost the entire run of Dzemael Darkhold and didn't upkeep dots properly. I was polite about it, but got ignored on pretty much every account.

    Another case in point, a GLD in Halatali who was not using Flash, and using Provoke as if it generated any significant enmity, who, after being told politely how these abilities work, replied to shut the f*@k up, and that—because nobody died—he or she must be doing it alright. Blatantly disregarding that everybody else made that possible.

    I have more anecdotes—many positive—but the bottom line is that that there are people who do not respond well to advice at all. They live in this bubble of perception where they think that anybody who's "rude" enough to give them "advice" is committing an offense towards their personality and hurting their pride, or something. Also, just because someone isn't on the job they're giving out advice for, doesn't mean they only have passing knowledge of it. They may be on newer jobs and sharing in-depth knowledge and experience they've built for themselves that could benefit anybody greatly.

    It's one thing to say: "I enjoy the game. I play however I want." It's another to do so in a multiplayer game, where doing whatever you want might negatively impact other people's enjoyment of said game. Making it unnecessarily hard for other people playing with you is a pretty good way to ensure that they don't have fun unless you all agreed to make it extra hard on yourselves because you all enjoy that.

    That said, if someone's spouting garbage "advice" which is obnoxiously wrong, it's a safe strategy to just ignore them, because if you're actually doing it right and they're giving out bad advice, more power to you.
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    Last edited by Moirear; 05-28-2014 at 10:06 AM.

  6. #136
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    Seif Dincht
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    This might be controversial but:

    I'd MUCH rather hear actionable advice on what I'm doing wrong especially in EX and Coil runs when the other option seems to be just to diss the inexperienced player publicly in the party chat.

    Of course it wouldn't hurt to be nice when you're doing it but whatever. I've had so many wipes where all the feedback I get is "oh you're obviously new!" when I've stated that many times in the beginning of a run and was made to MT regardless.
    In some cases just "watching a video" simply is not enough. There are plenty of specific advice more advanced players can give.

    tldr; Just be nice ok?
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