Atma disappointment social help thread. For those with no luck.

[Andres_Lonegrief]

Honestly I think you just don't want more people getting Atma so you feel like a special little snowflake. Well guess what, you're not. Let people leave feedback without decrediting them or telling them to deal with it.

It looks like that saying that people want to feel special is not civil. Be careful! Just kidding. I agree with you and I'd love to hear a good reason for atma drop to stay like this. A few months ago people were complaining about the relic weapon being accessible to not skilled players that couldn't beat hm primal and let themselves carried by fc/party members. Now that progressing with the relic quest relays only on luck those "bad" players can easily get atma and animus but that's just fine.

[Bizniztyme]

It looks like that saying that people want to feel special is not civil. Be careful! Just kidding. I agree with you and I'd love to hear a good reason for atma drop to stay like this. A few months ago people were complaining about the relic weapon being accessible to not skilled players that couldn't beat hm primal and let themselves carried by fc/party members. Now that progressing with the relic quest relays only on luck those "bad" players can easily get atma and animus but that's just fine.

There are people that love to grind. They really do enjoy it. I'm not even going to wonder why because I'm not them but let them enjoy the content that is for them. People that don't like to grind, there are other weapons you can get that are better without the grind that you call boring. And they are not bad players just because they like going through this route to get a weapon.

[Khalette]

There are people that love to grind. They really do enjoy it. I'm not even going to wonder why because I'm not them but let them enjoy the content that is for them. People that don't like to grind, there are other weapons you can get that are better without the grind that you call boring. And they are not bad players just because they like going through this route to get a weapon.

I think grinding is something most people have learned to deal with (especially if they're older players or fans of Asian MMOs). I don't have much of an issue grinding, it's more RNG based. Find a grinder, give them 200 hours of grinding the same thing over and over and over with no reward and guess what, the grinder will go grind on a different game where there is reward after putting in 200 hours.

Just because someone likes to grind doesn't mean they enjoy RNG.

[Bizniztyme]

I think grinding is something most people have learned to deal with (especially if they're older players or fans of Asian MMOs). I don't have much of an issue grinding, it's more RNG based. Find a grinder, give them 200 hours of grinding the same thing over and over and over with no reward and guess what, the grinder will go grind on a different game where there is reward after putting in 200 hours.

Just because someone likes to grind doesn't mean they enjoy RNG.

Just because someone likes to grind doesn't mean that they don't enjoy the RNG.

[AmyNeudaiz]

There are people that love to grind. They really do enjoy it.

I absolutely love a good grind, but that's not what Atma is. Atma is a bad grind. If you spend more time traveling to content than doing content, then something is wrong. What's worse is that by the time you get to a lot of the FATEs they are already done and it's even worse in peak times.

And before someone says it again and to those who have said it before - we want to earn Atma we really do, we just really don't like HOW you earn it.

[ShinkuTachi]

It looks like that saying that people want to feel special is not civil. Be careful!

Just fyi, I said that because you basically made a snide insult directed at anyone who didn't agree with your point of view. The difference between your comment and AmyNeudaiz's comment is that Amy directed it to someone specifically (who is capable of standing up for himself); whereas your comment (again) was directed at anyone across the thread who didn't share your view (which happens to include me).

You're frustrated with the whole Atma farming thing, I get it. However, there is no reason for that kind of response to the thread. Especially, when all some of us are here doing is having a discussion. It's not like I'm here posting snarky insults, because some people don't agree with me.

Looking over your Lodestone profile, I can see we're into different things in-game. As Bizniztyme said, there is different content for players into different things. There is nothing wrong with this. If you don't like the Animus grind, shoot for the Unweathered weapon; or, even the High Allagan, which will still surpass the Novus. Then, you will still have something better than the "bad" players (as you put it), who relied on luck and RNG to get an Atma~Animus.

Take care.

[Andres_Lonegrief]

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Problem is that as long as you and others continue to define this atma quest as grinding you will never even get near to understand what others are criticizing. We are not complaining about (say) the cost of the books for animus. This isn't about the drop rate of primals mounts and i can't understand why you think the system is good . These will be one of the best weapon for most of the game's life and to get them you need mostly luck.

Why do you support this? There's plenty of things you can really farm, the only reason I can see is that you look at atma as a status symbol (i.e. feeling special) and you have your reasons. Hardcore players should be rewarded, but for their skill, not for their luck. It really feels like explaining to a bully why being bullied as well isn't a good reason to bully other people.

[ShinkuTachi]

Problem is that as long as you and others continue to define this atma quest as grinding you will never even get near to understand what others are criticizing. We are not complaining about (say) the cost of the books for animus. This isn't about the drop rate of primals mounts and i can't understand why you think the system is good . These will be one of the best weapon for most of the game's life and to get them you need mostly luck.

Why do you support this? There's plenty of things you can really farm, the only reason I can see is that you look at atma as a status symbol (i.e. feeling special) and you have your reasons. Hardcore players should be rewarded, but for their skill, not for their luck. It really feels like explaining to a bully why being bullied as well isn't a good reason to bully other people.

I really don't see the system of getting Atma as something good or bad, in the fun to do sense. However, one thing that I pointed out in a previous post, as a good thing about it, was the fact that it revitalized FATEs in lower end zones. As I said in the post I'm speaking of, most of the FATE parties I was participating in had folks in it not even getting Atma. They were leveling classes. Without this system, many of those FATEs were just coming and going, not really being used by people trying to level. This system is a good thing for those people.

As for why I support it, aside from the reason stated above. I am in support of varied content. For the player who loves nothing more than to participate in hardcore, "balls-to-the-wall" content, there are things such as the Unweathered and the High Allagan weapon. The High Allagan, by the way, will still surpass the Novus. So it's not like the hardcore, balls-to-the-wall players will be without something better.

Personally, I'm not an avid Raider. I do Raid and I enjoy doing it, but I'm not one of those people who eats, drinks, and sleeps raiding. This, gives people like us the opportunity to still get a good (not the best) weapon. This doesn't make people like us bad or lazy players, it's just different strokes for different folks, that's how I see it. I mean, compare our Lodestone profiles. You have a few battle classes leveled; in contrast, I only have one battle class leveled, but I enjoy also taking part in DoLs and DoHs. The comparison is a prime example of different priorities in-game. It makes neither of us better or worse players than one another.

As far as seeing the Animus as a status symbol, allow me to correct you and say I don't. If anything, the weapons I see as something special or a status symbol are the Unweathered and the High Allagan. Especially, the High Allagan. I'd think that it takes a truly hardcore, exceptional group of players to down T9; and, for doing so, they get their reward, a weapon that surpasses the Animus and the soon to be Novus.

[Seif]

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Sorry for going OT but let me just say what a great post that was! Amazing. As much as I sometimes hate doing the same fates I also know why I'm doing it. In my heart of hearts I prefer it to non-stop raiding and especially as a tank I like to go in properly geared because using DF is stressful enough as is.

[Andres_Lonegrief]

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Ok, so you want FATE to be revitalized and I could even agree with you, but then again we are talking about two different things since I was criticizing the Atmas drop rate which is too low and it isn't really connected to partecipating to FATEs.

And please, note that I wouldn't want a 100% drop rate. In my wildest dream 10%would be great: the unluckiest one would have to fight in 120 FATEs in order to get their weapon. At the moment everything but relying only on luck would be more than welcome though.

Just one more thing, the relic weapon will soon allow players to choose the stats it increases, so it might be quite helpful for those people who have two job based on the same class and had to sacrifice their attribute points (right now SMN and SCH, but in a couople of months it would be also BARD and FUSILIER or whatever they'll bring into the game).