I obviously know more about your class than you do, play how I tell you.

[ReiszRie]

I take advice when I ask.

That attitude itself is annoying to say the least.

[ReiszRie]

I always prioritize dps than tanks in pre 50 dungeons cuz any class with decent synced hp/gear can tank all mobs/ bosses.
If tanks start telling me how to play my job while not playing his i'll gladly disregard anything he says as i ran once with a tank who didn't use any defence/ hp buff skills till the last boss in tam.
But what got me was when he said can you not dps and use fluid aura.
I was like speechless, a tank telling me how to play yet he's not even playing his class right.
I trolled him a few times by using medica once and easily ripping hate lol.
On the last boss i let him die and made him rage on about how the group was going to wipe.
As if! He got pissed at the end when we beat it and said
" learn to play your job and in a party "
I was like lol naw just chill

You sound like a total jerk and I hate CNJs that fluid aura

[Ruri]

If a DRG is ignoring the chaos combo completely and not keeping HT up then I will definitely tell them for example. I wouldn't kick them unless they refuse to listen or respond though. This seems to be the majority of Drg's when I am not playing as Drg. They give us a bad rep!

[Ampheni]

Well, just play the game with an open mind, someone gives you an advice it may not be out of ill will, so it won't hurt to at least try I guess? You'll never know until you tried it right? If it doesn't work blame them all you want or just laugh your way out of it, I am pretty sure it will make such matter much less irritating thus making the game more enjoyable for you. No need to hate people for that, pretty sure most people who are being misunderstood as "forcefully" giving people advice aren't bad people. If they are that bad they would've just kicked you out of the party without a word.

[Alice_89th]

It all depends on how people say it I guess?

"maybe you can try this, it will help" sounds a lot better than "you're doing it WRONG!" or even better "you suck".
If you want to give advice they should be polite about it. Someone who is told they suck is unlikely to listen to you.
And if people are being polite about their advice there is no reason not to listen and consider it. Maybe it is something worth trying.

[Corfish]

It all depends on how people say it I guess?

"maybe you can try this, it will help" sounds a lot better than "you're doing it WRONG!" or even better "you suck".
If you want to give advice they should be polite about it. Someone who is told they suck is unlikely to listen to you.
And if people are being polite about their advice there is no reason not to listen and consider it. Maybe it is something worth trying.

The way you present the advice REALLY helps in getting people to follow it. Make it their choice. "Hey, I main this class/job, mind if I give a little advice?" It goes a long way. If they say no, they won't listen anyways so you don't have to waste your time arguing. Win/win.

[MeiUshu]

Do I believe them? It depends. Here is an example. I am currently leveling WHM. I asked a WHM what cross class abilities they use. They told me, and I questioned them. Not because I didn't believe them, but because I wanted to understand why. I asked about other abilities, and why they didn't use them. Based on their responses, I could then gauge whether I felt their insight was indeed knowledgeable or not. Either way, I didn't automatically dismiss them and get offensive, but rather tried to understand why they felt their way was better.

we agree, you did question ..and then this allows you to decide. Tell me though, how many dungeons do you even have the ability to ask questions ? not many

Mei

[Elazu]

It all depends on how people say it I guess?

"maybe you can try this, it will help" sounds a lot better than "you're doing it WRONG!" or even better "you suck".
If you want to give advice they should be polite about it. Someone who is told they suck is unlikely to listen to you.
And if people are being polite about their advice there is no reason not to listen and consider it. Maybe it is something worth trying.

Thing is...a lot of people will hate you and your family even if your advice is worded nicely. If they even react to someone else talking in the party - most don't.

[Spyrit]

The problem exists when new players and experienced players get together. The experienced player had the time to learn their class, at their own pace, the new player has this experienced taken from them due to the impatience of experienced players farming. It would be beneficial to both types to experience the game separate, there is no patience for either type, from the other's point of view.

As an experienced player, if you enter a low level dungeon, don't give advice unless it's asked for period, everyone has the right to experience their own learning curve, just like you did when you first started. It is selfish on your part to take that experience from someone, who wants it. You dollar is no more worthy than someone else's.

Secondly, you shouldn't be harassing other players based on parsed data, parses are a violation of ToS, and you can be reported, resulting in negative consequences.

Now experienced players, if you have no patience for other people's learning curve, make your own group of players who are like-minded, and just as experienced. Let the new guys learn the game as they see fit. The fresh player experience, is a one time deal, and not one player has the authority to take that from another player.

[Odett]

Snip.

I'm sorry, but this doesn't make sense to me. Learning your class at your own pace is fine, but if someone has information that will help you play better, and you disregard it because you want to "learn at your own pace", then that is selfish to the group because you're making the run more difficult than it has to be.Skills have descriptions, and if people don't bother to read them, then I will step in and tell them how they can improve their class and explain to them how that skill is used. Your dollar entitles you to nothing but the ability to log on to the game. If a tank cannot keep aggro and you could explain to them how their skills work and how to make them better, resulting in individual improvement as well as a smoother run in future groups, would you withhold that information because it wasn't asked for? Same applies to every other job and role.

Another problem with this is that this does not occur exclusively at low level dungeons. This problem occurs more times than not when you queue up in DF, and having a group where everyone knows what they're doing is the exception. Am I going to chastise someone for not mitigating, bad aggro management, bad DPS due to wrong rotation, and bad use of their healing toolset? No, but I'm going to offer my advice (when I fully know what they can correct and explain how) in a polite way whether it's asked for or not, and if you (not you personally, using this in a general term) decide for yourself that you know it all because you're level 50 and are too stubborn to improve, then you are selfish.