with this mindset the future looks dim

[Suniva]

so at the end telling us like always learn fight huh?? so new comer .. dont come dont buy it .... then HEY SE is bad there is no more new update on ff14 i quit ...... BLEH it's normal you guys scared all the new people they cant experience the game on their one ... they need to know all the game before buying it lol

Um, no. That is not at all what I said. I said the issue is that one argument is expecting people to be nice to them all the time if they are unaware of a fight. The other argument is saying that one should always be prepared for the fight. In the end, I am not telling you anything.
That is the problem, the two sides can't find a middle ground.

[Bizniztyme]

Oh wow, i am trying to imagine you explaining twin, now that would be a goddam sight.
And here i stop arguing because the only thing you do now is insulting everyone who does not agree with you.

Kinda like how you insulting yeaninah just because english is not their native language? Makes you so much better right?

[shape]

why do you only use the 1st post Suniva made she clearly states in another that people can make their own groups with like minded people.

The people who clear the content 1st and make guides do so for the sake of others, why wouldn't you take freely offered help.

If the new players reason is because they want to replicate what the first groups of people did, then hats off to them.( although this also means there hardcore minded which is what they claim to hate)

[Suniva]

then why cant you either ???? why us huh ?? ..you guy want many speed run always ,when if you make PF you already have a party and take no time to get in DF in full already made party right ???so when leave df after finish you go in it as soon as you leave

so i dont see the point to kick us out of DF and block us of it???

It does go both ways. Just as I can, or you can, or ANYONE ELSE CAN, use the DF, the PF to find like minded individuals to game to their play style. You don't seem to want to use PF, that is why I made my initial point to begin with. Why are you trying to argue with me about everything? I am not trying to argue, but make points for you to see that you can go about playing the game exactly how you want to and there doesn't need to be arguing about it. But you seem to want to argue with everyone for some reason. You have no valid argument because you refusing to use the avenues available to you, and then expecting complete strangers to cater to YOUR needs 100% of the time, when you do not use the tools in place to meet like minded people, is a large part of the problem.

[Bizniztyme]

why do you only use 1st post Suniva made she clearly states in another that people can make their own groups with like minded people.

The people who clear the content 1st and make guides do so for to help others. why wouldn't you take freely offered help.

If the new players reason is because they want to replicate what the first groups of people did, then hats off to them.( although this also means there hardcore minded which is what they claim to hate)

I don't think hardcore and elitist are synonymous.

[Diavolo]

I have a laugh at people that participate in such jackassery. I never look up fights. If someone has a problem with it, they can go shove their problem up their ass. I'm not a visual learner. I'm more hands-on.

[YeaniNah]

Oh wow, i am trying to imagine you explaining twin, now that would be a goddam sight.
And here i stop arguing because the only thing you do now is insulting everyone who does not agree with you.

first thing ... im french ,.second thing im dislexia. I do alot of error mistake, i type the way what i think sound. But some people dont know what that is and most people use to make fun at those people ... but i don't care .. But i try to write correctly cos i'm on english forum since i'm french canadian in NA ..not Europe..

[Assirra]

Kinda like how you insulting yeaninah just because english is not their native language? Makes you so much better right?

I heard a LOT of people try to talk english but i NEVER EVER heard someone comparing youtube to mother and try to make an argument out of it.
That is the only thing i was talking about. I know my english is bad (not native either). Sorry if i came over like that.
Anyway, i am leaving this thread now. HF arguing people.

[Suniva]

why do you only use the 1st post Suniva made she clearly states in another that people can make their own groups with like minded people.

The people who clear the content 1st and make guides do so for to help others. why wouldn't you take freely offered help.

If the new players reason is because they want to replicate what the first groups of people did, then hats off to them.( although this also means there hardcore minded which is what they claim to hate)

Thank you Shape. Someone is out there reading my posts as intended. I just got that warm and fuzzeh feeling inside.

[shape]

I think the term hardcore fits this thread more then elitist.

The opening post is both down to hardcore and elitism ( i cant say how much of the latter i was not there)

but to make a comparison a hardcore player would expect people to have made an effort to know the fight.

An elitist player would instantly kick you, demand stupidly high Ilvl the list goes on.