Rude people in dungeons.

[Sammix87]

I learnt a long time ago in this game not to take the opinions of other people to heart too much. After starting a new character on Zodiark and finally getting to do Wanderer's Palace my friend and I got called 'Noobs' for our 'crappy dps' by a tank who then rage quit lol (It wasn't crappy - we kicked the bosses asses with the new tank)

On games like this you will always get the people who consider themselves 'professional players' who will occasionally treat newer people like this just because you are 'under geared' and inexperienced. I actually think some people forget what its like to be new to a game like this where many people are already much further along. Luckily though there are plenty of wonderful people on this game too who will help you

[Gnova]

After starting a new character on Zodiark and finally getting to do Wanderer's Palace my friend and I got called 'Noobs' for our 'crappy dps' by a tank who then rage quit lol (It wasn't crappy - we kicked the bosses asses with the new tank)

No one should ever be called noons, etc, but I have run zones with crappy dps and even though we finish the dungeon it is a painful experience.
Fights that take twice as long due to lackluster dps are not a lot of fun for the healer and tank.
There is a difference between being a overgeared snyced DPS, well played appropriately geared dps, and poorly played dps.

Even though it needs to be done delicately sometimes people do need to be told that they need to improve.

[Edeline]

No one should ever be called noons, etc, but I have run zones with crappy dps and even though we finish the dungeon it is a painful experience.
Fights that take twice as long due to lackluster dps are not a lot of fun for the healer and tank.
There is a difference between being a overgeared snyced DPS, well played appropriately geared dps, and poorly played dps.

I just find it silly. If you're an elitist (not you, just in general) who want super duper fast runs with uber geared people, make your own premade to join the dungeon and your problem will be solved. You can't expect a super party in a RANDOM dungeon/trial/whatever matcher. You just either live with it or ragequit and get a 30 min penalty. Most of people doing these duty finder content are either to level up or progress through gear, you can't demand them to be endgame geared to have uber dps.

[Sammix87]

When I played tank on Phoenix I had to party with people with 'crap' DPS but I never told them they were noobs nor did I quit the dungeon half way through. My DPS in that dungeon run wasn't anywhere near 'crappy' nor was it a painful experience as we took each boss very easily. My actual point was that just because someone isn't in full myth gear or whatever doesn't mean people have the right to be rude and obnoxious. Especially when it was the 'crappy dpsers' who survived the first boss (and killed it I might add) and the tank who died first....

I do understand the difference between that and yes some people do indeed need to be told sometimes but I think that would work best if people actually didn't go straight for the word noob and actually offered suggestions instead of unconstructive criticism.

[Edeline]

I do understand the difference between that and yes some people do indeed need to be told sometimes but I think that would work best if people actually didn't go straight for the word noob and actually offered suggestions instead of unconstructive criticism.

Most rational people think the same, if you wanna improve your own gameplay. But there's a difference in being told on a constructive way to improve, than just throw some insults right away for not meeting your own preferences on the dungeon, which is what seemed to happen. There's literally nothing you can do to meet that player's demand if you don't have the gear for it, but these kind of players don't have consideration and expect everyone to be at their level (at least gear-wise) on everything and insulting if not.

[Gnova]

I just find it silly. If you're an elitist (not you, just in general) who want super duper fast runs with uber geared people, make your own premade to join the dungeon and your problem will be solved. You can't expect a super party in a RANDOM dungeon/trial/whatever matcher. You just either live with it or ragequit and get a 30 min penalty. Most of people doing these duty finder content are either to level up or progress through gear, you can't demand them to be endgame geared to have uber dps.

I agree that we shouldn't expect perfection.
But if no one tells people they aren't pulling their weight how do they know to improve.
It needs to be done respectfully though.

[Gnova]

My actual point was that just because someone isn't in full myth gear or whatever doesn't mean people have the right to be rude and obnoxious. Especially when it was the 'crappy dpsers' who survived the first boss (and killed it I might add) and the tank who died first....

"Crappy DPS" comments usually have more to do with skill level than gear.

Example:
When I am tanking and cycling through mobs to spread hate it really pisses me off if I know we have a summoner and they haven't spread their dots across the group.of mobs. That is crappy DPS, I don't care if they have the best gear around.
If no one says anything to them they may not know that it is expected of them.

I've been in groups with synced dps and we bored mobs to death. I've then gone into the same zone with non synced DPS and mobs melted.

[Niwashi]

Example:
When I am tanking and cycling through mobs to spread hate it really pisses me off if I know we have a summoner and they haven't spread their dots across the group.of mobs. That is crappy DPS, I don't care if they have the best gear around.
If no one says anything to them they may not know that it is expected of them.

That could just be a matter of being unfamiliar with you. If the tank is, in fact, cycling through mobs and doing a good job of holding hate on all of them, then yes, a summoner does a lot more damage by putting DoTs up on all of them. On the other hand, with an inexperienced or under-geared tank who can only effectively hold aggro on one mob at a time, that high-DPS pattern will draw too much hate. That summoner may know perfectly well that DoTing all the mobs is the most effective DPS-wise, but if they've gotten stuck with bad tanks on too many previous runs, they could make a deliberate decision to take a more conservative approach and prioritize avoiding aggro.

Ideally, the summoner and tank should discuss strategy prior to the run and decide on the summoner's strategy based on the tank's experience, level, and gear. But I've hardly ever seen that happen in a DF run. It's an example of why static groups perform better than random ones, even with equally experienced and skilled players. Understanding your teammates' strategies can be at least as important as having a good strategy of your own.

It can be really frustrating if on one run a DPS is bitched at about sticking to the first priority target, so when on the next run they follow that advice they get bitched at about spreading their DPS to the rest of them. No matter what they do, there's even odds that the tank's going to be mad at them about it.

[Gnova]

I just find it silly. If you're an elitist (not you, just in general) who want super duper fast runs with uber geared people, make your own premade to join the dungeon and your problem will be solved. You can't expect a super party in a RANDOM dungeon/trial/whatever matcher. You just either live with it or ragequit and get a 30 min penalty. Most of people doing these duty finder content are either to level up or progress through gear, you can't demand them to be endgame geared to have uber dps.

I thnk there ahold be an expectation of competence with group mates whether it is PF, FC, or DF.
I don't expect A performances but we should expect C performance.

[Seoulstar]

People like that..are people that I refuse to heal in a dungeon. Everyone was new at some point, so it's illogical to insult someone because they're new..