with this mindset the future looks dim

[Marcusow86]

Lol lazy would more aptly be people who have all day to explore you-tube, "instead" of having work to return home from, or perhaps memorizing said fight on you-tube instead of putting in the work to learn it cold.

Lazy could also be seen as 7 people who don't want to teach anyone anything, and just tell them to go watch a video.

I wouldn't term it as memorize, to watch and to at least have an idea what you need to do and are dealing with is call observe and learn. It is the same as learning it cold except you do not do it while wasting everyone's time. That's the whole point of the argument, just because you want to learn it your way, everyone have to sacrifice. Just because you want to do it your way, you expect everyone to understand and compromise their time.

Why must SEVEN people need to do anything for that ONE who refuses to commit for the success of the WHOLE party? Last check, this game is not called nanny-dash. We don't do baby sit, grow up, no one will spoon feed you.

[TonyACT]

I am new to the game and exploring as I go - I have not and will not read or look up guides until I get into serious high-level content; then I think it is common courtesy to have an idea what might go on. So I can see a bit of both sides to this argument I guess - though some of the rudeness I occasionally see in group chat is a bit beyond the pale - then I guess this is what ignore is for.

[Sayoko]

Well myself i will never give advice about how to play a job unless specifically asked 'How can i play this better?'. On the OP i think its fine going into a fight not knowing anything about it at all, but its dependent on your ability to learn the fight etc. Anyway things like that happen every so often and got to look on the brightside if any and keep playing ^^;

Side note; i've never been asked how to play better by anyone in a dungeon or duty. perhaps because i would never comment in party chat on another plays ability or mistakes. i keep that sort of thing in ls or fc only lol

[Mellowlicious]

I am new to the game and exploring as I go - I have not and will not read or look up guides until I get into serious high-level content;

This is a good attitude. You realy don't need to loo at guides for anything but extremes and coil (and CT because of the overabundance of mechanics), but from tht point on you're massively hurting yourself AND your team by refusing to prepare.

[Lunavi]

Brb, looking for job at the hospital as a surgeon without knowing anything about what I do. I hope they do not fire me... 8D

[Sayoko]

Brb, looking for job at the hospital as a surgeon without knowing anything about what I do. I hope they do not fire me... 8D

it is missing a point. it is expected you know how to do what you do, dodging, dps, healing/holding aggro, and the like. but where was it written that we needed prior knowledge of the fight mechanics before even entering the fight? some will wipe the party from not knowing but it is there playing and they can choose how to learn albeit it may be a bit painful of learning. many dungeons as healer i went into without knowing stuff prior to entering and it went perfectly well, learned the fight as i went or on the second attempt.

[vp_cmc]

it is missing a point. it is expected you know how to do what you do, dodging, dps, healing/holding aggro, and the like.

Strange, but people, who enter hard content completely unprepared, are often bad in their job too.

And about dodging.. How you dodge divebombs at t5 for example, if you don't know what that green mark on party member means? Same about twisters.

[LalaRu]

About dodging, got as healer in Minstrel duty, after three wipes with people dying even at first plumes (that are telegraphed, it just missing someone who knoks at your door's room and say "hey! a plume coming! please move 3cm far there!"), and when at wipe time I healed the world without have to heal myself one single time, people doesn't find better thing than blame the healing.

The above, to mark the point it is really fine to me if someone wants learn the fight themself, as personal improvement, but it is important to go in with at least the basics done, as dodging the big aoe that comes in almost any high level duty. Dying there just on the basics, means the player still have to improve hilself before attempt to do more difficult things.

[Seiryuukishi]

I find it comical that the basis of the oppositions' arguement is still "you are wasting our time". You do realize you are playing a GAME right? Whose sole purpose is to get you into a non realistic non joblike environment to WASTE TIME. Come on guys. Play the game as suits you. Wanna be hardcore raider? Do it. Study everything to your heart desires. Wanna go at your leisure? Cool. Do as you like. Both sides need to quit this mess. Neither is obligated to the other regardless of numbers.

[Saccharin]

I find it comical that the basis of the oppositions' arguement is still "you are wasting our time". You do realize you are playing a GAME right? Whose sole purpose is to get you into a non realistic non joblike environment to WASTE TIME. Come on guys. Play the game as suits you. Wanna be hardcore raider? Do it. Study everything to your heart desires. Wanna go at your leisure? Cool. Do as you like. Both sides need to quit this mess. Neither is obligated to the other regardless of numbers.

In a singe player game or even while playing solo sure play the way you like but in a multiplayer game where there's 3/7/23 other people then a simple NO. The OP was just being lazy.