PLD BiS (Post T9) - Widely Accepted vs. Optimized Crit

[MythToken]

^im not clear on your maths, but I will say this 7.69% parry chance is probably close to the amount of variation in actual attacks parried you will experience on any given encounter.

Ive ranged from 20% parried attacks to 38% on the same fight with the same gear.

So my point is that, you would be correct if that 7.69% parry rate was guaranteed but it just isn't. It's RNG.

Over a 1000 fights will you get more parry than me yes.

But in the short term, we could have the exact same stats, and your parry rating could be 100 higher than mine, and there would be fights where I out parry you.
This is why I am personally against parry rating. It's nice to have, but stacking it is pointless.

[SirTaint]

Parry is diluted on PLD because of shield blocks.

But shield oath DPS is so horrid det/crit isn't changing t9s kill speed. (Or any fight that matters)

[MythToken]

Parry is diluted on PLD because of shield blocks.

But shield oath DPS is so horrid det/crit isn't changing t9s kill speed. (Or any fight that matters)

Id still never sacrifice 54 of anything for 1 point of parry.

The 15 points of parry vs 64 crit is interesting. You could argue the parry is worth it in this case, easy call if you were a warrior take the crit all day.
Not sure how it applies to paladins.

[PROBOUND]

What do you guys think of Nightreaches gearset? 500 Parry (with Finger Sandwiches) for a gain +78 DET

[MythToken]

It is interesting, but he is also losing crit, and SS. Which i don't think SS is good, but just pure stat weight wise, I think he is losing out.

Personally I would just try to get as much secondary stats as you can, without worrying about what they are. More stats = better in this game.

Stacking secondary stats have not really proven to be all that useful, for any class?


I will say some of the T9 MT paladins I have seen on lodestone are going full VIT and hitting close 600 parry.

So there could be something to that.

[Instrumentality]

I'd love to hear some other opinions from T9 PLD's who MT as well.

I've jumped around on parry rating (currently 508 and using crit or accuracy food) to over 570 with parry food and noticed no appreciable difference in healing required over the fight with t9 clears.

[SirTaint]

I've jumped around on parry rating (currently 508 and using crit or accuracy food) to over 570 with parry food and noticed no appreciable difference in healing required over the fight with t9 clears.

Sure its a secondary stat with a small sample. Same thing could be said of stacking crit, det or SS.

[Instrumentality]

Sure its a secondary stat with a small sample. Same thing could be said of stacking crit, det or SS.

I could completely change all of my secondary stats in value by hundreds (Excluding accuracy) and it wouldn't noticeably change anything on t9 over a million billion hits as a Paladin main tank. I spend far too much time in Shield Oath for determination or skill speed to be telling, and parrying an attack versus not parrying an attack should never be the difference between life and death. Critical hit rating might have an argument because it counteracts the damage down on shield oath much better than the other two 'dps' stats.

But as a paladin MT on that fight all I focus on is ensuring proper cooldown usage for each mechanic and phase depending on healing requirements and healer mana. Other than that I could have 600 skill speed in i110 gear and just wouldn't care as long as I have the accuracy and vit that comes with it.

[PROBOUND]

But as a paladin MT on that fight all I focus on is ensuring proper cooldown usage for each mechanic and phase depending on healing requirements and healer mana. Other than that I could have 600 skill speed in i110 gear and just wouldn't care as long as I have the accuracy and vit that comes with it.

Thanks for the info. I also have a similar feeling towards Crit as i do notice my DPS increases. Weather or not that matters is another debate alltogether.

I've been playing around with a 600+ Parry build so i hope to see if i can notice a difference. Perhaps there is a hidden plateau of sorts.

What are your thoughts on the Noct Hoplon? With the use of Bulwark it becomes comparable to a 2nd Sentinel cooldown from what i've been told. Are you currently using this in T9 or perhaps got lucky with the H.A Shield?

[Instrumentality]

What are your thoughts on the Noct Hoplon? With the use of Bulwark it becomes comparable to a 2nd Sentinel cooldown from what i've been told. Are you currently using this in T9 or perhaps got lucky with the H.A Shield?

I have the HA shield, but I've done Nael with the Noct Hoplon upgraded. Bulwark works like a slightly gimp second Sentinel (In that since you're already blocking you can't block or parry for more reduction over the course of the cooldown). It does makes Bahamut's Claw pretty laughable in the final phase when you use it to solo soak Claws at ~41% reduction from blocks.

The HA shield currently blocks ~31% damage for me.