[Suggestion] Please make the Level 15 Class Quest a Dungeon Reguirement

[Kinseykinz]

So, I get what happens. New players get overwhelmed with what to do/which side story leads where/where they need to go next for their main story etc. But I have done far far far too many level 15-19 (yes even Halatali) with folk who have yet to complete (and therefore learn it's skill) there level 15 class quest. This is especially problematic with Tanks as in both cases, their level 15 skill allows them to Pull mobs from afar AND build Enmity. Not only that, it's their ONLY ranged attack/Enmity grabber until Provoke at level 22 (PLD)

Skills many players are missing at in these dungeons (all learned via their class quest)
GLA: Shield Lob =+enm skill/ranged attack.
MRD: Tomahawk= +enm skill/ranged attack.

CNJ: Fluid Aura= knockback+bind. Less useful (and can annoy) to most party's but can help knock a mob away from a healer/knock it back to the tank. Occasionally useful in group play.

ACN: Topaz Carby. Not a great group Carby....but can save the day if tank dies/party needs a pseudo tank.
THM: Scathe. A spell they can cast while moving/ filler spell while regening MP in Umbral.
BRD: Repelling Shot. A distancing move to assist a Archer in getting out of a bad spot quickly.

LNC: Piercing Talon. A ranged attack. Useful to start attacking tanks target/or in the rare instance you'd need to pull (or for solo play).
PGL: Touch of Death. A DoT

And yes, I get some of these are underwhelming in party play/more useful solo. But others (especially the tank moves), make party play esp. low level, much more fluid.

So in order to make sure players realize, 'Hey, you get a skill from doing the class quest' Maybe if would be most prudent to lock them out of their first dungeon, Satasha, until they complete it. This way, at least when they enter, they have all their possible skills available on their toolbars...still not going to fix if they know how to use them, but just entering with the right tools is a start.

[Fuyuu]

I didn't read your post, the title only make sense and I don't know why it's not already the case. So yeah, I approve the title of this thread!

[OPneedNerfs]

Can we at least have a system in place to tunnel a player and force them into doing their class and job quests? It sucks to run into marauders and gladiators after brayflox. What's worse is that nothing in the game helps clueless people understand their role as a tank. I've seen a marauder roll into brayflox via df, yes that is still bearable, at least for me when I was healing. Then came the first boss, guess what? He went ahead and popped BLOOD FOR BLOOD. Needless to say, the other 2 dps dropped out of the dungeon before me. It was obvious it wasn't gonna end well.

Please SE, create a system where the roles are introduced to new players. Common sense is such a rarity nowadays that it might as well be renamed as rare sense.

[SummonerSenah]

They also can pick up at least one level 15 piece of armor if they finish the level 15 class quest, which will help.

[TomTom1968]

I never understood why they didn't make class quests mandatory. I also met people who did not even know that such a thing exists lol. And I am not speaking about cross class abilities. I never quite understood why people wait to do them. No matter for which class, the best and most meaningful skills come with class specific quests. I always did them as soon as it was possible. If you do them at the level you get them, they are at least a tad challenging.

[RyuDragnier]

I'd personally prefer if the core classes could not level past 30, and all the levels for the jobs were attached to their crystals. Meaning you'd see no MRD in anything higher than Haukke Manor, they'd not be able to get into this places. This is of course, after I have raged due to being in a Garuda fight with an Archer who didn't know how to change into his Job. How do you get that far and NOT know how to get your Job? Right after the level 30 class quest, the NPC gets another quest right on top of their heads TELLING you about a Job quest and what you need to get it.

Also, I second the motion to teach people their jobs, I've seen far too many bad players nowadays. Removing the Echo from the class quests would be one step.

[Prue_Liss]

Here comes a low level player.

I have to agree with the idea of class quests.

I have had a couple of instances where the tanks were not doing the right things and this includes dps players. Being a healer, it is hard to heal when someone is running around in and out of range. I have been yelled at for not healing someone despite the fact I got off a heal just as they ran out of range. The last time has made me wonder if it is even worth being a healer.

I will admit to having learned something from this thread and I plan on using it next time I get into trouble in a dungeon. Fluid Aura

[Garlyle]

The last time has made me wonder if it is even worth being a healer.

Being a healer is hell, but I think you will find as you get further into the game that people hate on healers far less because they're much more aware of how much we actually do. I swear lots of players in low level dungeons don't even realise how much damage they take until that damage is at a point it's fatal - which, by the way, will probably be Titan, which is in about a level for you (do your level 35 class quest to get Regen first, I suggest, because upkeeping it on the tank will massively reduce your MP costs throughout the fight - this is the first one that'll probably strain your MP pool. Good luck!)

But yes. I feel like at some point there has to be a lock to make players do the class quests. Your class quests are fully intended to teach you "hey, you need to keep aggro off of these allies!" (or whatever your role appropriate learning is), in addition to the skills they give you/the access to your full job.

[Jeppo]

I agree that there should be some sort of cap that forces people to do class quests to learn their jobs and learn new abilities. Maybe there should be a level cap every 5 levels which will only be removed once that specific class quest has been completed (e.g. you can't go past level 19 until you complete the level 15 quest).

But also the class quests themselves need looking at. The Gladiator class quest (particularly the one at level 10) at least attempts to teach you your role in battle (in this case, using Flash to draw hate away from your NPC ally), but such quests are few and far between. For example, for the marauder quests, actually doing your job by drawing all your foes' enmity usually results in a fail because of the hapless NPC healer you have with you. In pretty much all the conjurer quests the focus is always dealing damage and never healing your allies. In fact you could easily complete those quests without throwing a single cure spell at anyone other than yourself.

[Souljacker]

But also the class quests themselves need looking at. The Gladiator class quest (particularly the one at level 10) at least attempts to teach you your role in battle (in this case, using Flash to draw hate away from your NPC ally), but such quests are few and far between. For example, for the marauder quests, actually doing your job by drawing all your foes' enmity usually results in a fail because of the hapless NPC healer you have with you. In pretty much all the conjurer quests the focus is always dealing damage and never healing your allies. In fact you could easily complete those quests without throwing a single cure spell at anyone other than yourself.

There is some serious disconnect with SE's new interpretation of roles and ideas about how the game should be played. I agree that White Mage in particular (conj) is one of those failures. It makes absolutely no sense that a class that has ONLY a healing branch gets so many DPS spells so early. Cure II at 30? LEVEL THIRTY??? Meanwhile there is useless spell after useless spell that anyone who groups (as white mages did in the old days) to level completely ignores while mashing 1. Ok ok, I've hit virus and aero and the odd stone here and there, but my job isn't to DPS and the numbers prove it.


Also some other things that could really use some tweaking is cross-class abilities for tanks. Marauder gets Gladiator's AoE tool but Gladiator doesn't get Marauder's, and it feels like this is a major failure in design. BOTH tanking classes also should have their own taunt, and it should come MUCH sooner than level 22. That's a major oversight that causes issues in dungeons for new tanks. If you lose control of a monster and it goes for someone else your only choice is to chase it down(because the person usually runs away from you and not toward you) and hope you can fire off enough abilities to overwhelm it again. Terrible, terrible design that makes no sense and could be remedied by each class getting a taunt before they start grouping.

In short, I agree. There's a lot of design issues that could be improved.