Bard's DPS in endgame.

[VallisRaine]

foe does NOT decrease dmg
MP and TP songs decrease it by 20%

lmao you got me i didn't look at it right

[RinchanNau]

Was actually 2nd highest in t8 last night on BRD. I was surprised considering I ran TP and MP songs more than I had planned to. Had our SMN been there I surely would have finished well behind her. Was about 50 below our MNK. Probably mainly the weapon helping me. I was the only DPS with a i110 weapon. MNK and DRG had i100. BLM pug had i95.

[Logistical]

Was actually 2nd highest in t8 last night on BRD. I was surprised considering I ran TP and MP songs more than I had planned to. Had our SMN been there I surely would have finished well behind her. Was about 50 below our MNK. Probably mainly the weapon helping me. I was the only DPS with a i110 weapon. MNK and DRG had i100. BLM pug had i95.

I couldn't even imagine being second in the parse with my group. >-O I'm usually bottom; but I'm pretty easily abused when it comes to ballads. Which I don't mind, Mage Ballad will cost me 5-15 DPS while giving my summoner an extra 50-60 since he can go crazy.


Turn 8 for us is usually - Monk > Sum[If I mage ballad for him for full rotation] > Drg > Myself

[RinchanNau]

I couldn't even imagine being second in the parse with my group. >-O I'm usually bottom; but I'm pretty easily abused when it comes to ballads. Which I don't mind, Mage Ballad will cost me 5-15 DPS while giving my summoner an extra 50-60 since he can go crazy.


Turn 8 for us is usually - Monk > Sum[If I mage ballad for him for full rotation] > Drg > Myself

Yep. Similar for us previously. Though until our DRG gets his i110 upgrade I expect to be 3rd. Doesn't hurt that he died in our run yesterday, lol. I've also got it fairly easy as our DRG is on homing/brainjack duties which is likely to affect his rotation at times. This may change as our config may be changing soon-ish. Then I'll be on homing/brainjack, most likely.

[givemeraptors]

Turn 8 for us is usually - Monk > Sum[If I mage ballad for him for full rotation] > Drg > Myself

I'm guessing your SMN needs MP because it's a really long fight? Otherwise I don't see how they would run out unless they were spamming Ruin II.

[abzoluut]

The myth still seems to persist though that BRD's were some magic top tier DPS without peer before 2.1.

Pre 2.0 there were a lot of those cases where BRDs could top dps or atleast out-dps melee so easily. Turn 1: tp starvation, no tp song because you wanted mp song for you healers. I'm talking i70 here.. Not when full groups started to hit i77 and up. T2: well, don't need to explain. T4: BRDs have some serious AoE dmg. T5: close call, they shine in phase 4 and 5 where melee shine in phase 2 and 3.

I don't think it's a myth when most of the fights favoured having bards. A community will use whatever is less stressfull like some groups still favour 2 PLD's cause double HG is sweet to have on some encounters. Is PLD the better tank? I don't think so. Does the game create this situation? Yes, I do think so.

[ziddyt]

Wow, I can't believe so many people are still so misinformed about Bard.
Bard losing ~4% DPS doesn't somehow take it from top DPS to last. They were never anything but last unless the Bard was playing with bad players.

[Logistical]

I'm guessing your SMN needs MP because it's a really long fight? Otherwise I don't see how they would run out unless they were spamming Ruin II.

If he is using his full rotation he will eventually kill his mana if he doesn't use energy drain. Our fight is only about 8:55ish.

[Alcyon1]

Wow, I can't believe so many people are still so misinformed about Bard.
Bard losing ~4% DPS doesn't somehow take it from top DPS to last. They were never anything but last unless the Bard was playing with bad players.

Hi Titan EX would like to talk with you. A Bard (at equal ilvl) lower than any BLM or Melee should just L2P.

[Shurrikhan]

Hi Titan EX would like to talk with you. A Bard (at equal ilvl) lower than any BLM or Melee should just L2P.

I'm not a bad bard, and yet I can do a hell of a lot more on DRG and MNK (especially if I'm able to keep GL up due to certain timings in phase changes) in Titan. While Bard can nearly run at dummy-dps throughout that fight, the other classes don't lose much either if played well. Even BLM can be rotated to place either an instant or half cast in the plume-movement, losing almost no dps. The Greased Lightning loss, which the Monk him- or herself has little control over except watching percentages to have a Raptor move go off just before the change or before being jailed, is the only truly justifiable loss, and it still can't drop you to Bard dps. The main advantage Bard has in that fight is in the burst available to it for adds, which is *still* lesser to the sheer power of DRG, PB Monk, or BLM AoE, and advantage over melee when bombs are on tank-line. That and it tends to get one or two extra hits in per phase that the others don't just due to clip casts at end and having instant reach at start.

Edit: With Disembowel up, Bard does get quite a bit closer, though under equal skill and gear I've only seen it beat (likely proc-unlucky) BLMs, assuming that the Bard doesn't purposely short them of Foe Requiem.