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  1. #631
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    BinaryJack's Avatar
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    My main concern, and I am repeating myself here, are PROCs.
    We have no PROCs.

    Give us a Fester PROC or another Aetherflow stack.
    The latter is preferred to the former but I am more than happy to go through a full rotation in order to use the Fester PROC.

    There is not much wrong with summoners and their pets and personally I think that we are quite likely to see another pet coming up.
    We have three pets linked to the original primals.
    New primals been released, Leviathan and even Mog and with the upcoming Ramuh there is a big chance that we will get another Pet.
    It would be great to see a Mog Pet with some support skills like Haste and even Mimic?
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  2. #632
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    Shichi Mamura
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    Why does SMN need procs? Isn't the crux of the issue that it plays exactly like ACN with no real feel of SMN? What would procs do to alleviate that issue?
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  3. #633
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    Tancard Wolf
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    Quote Originally Posted by Exstal View Post
    Why does SMN need procs? Isn't the crux of the issue that it plays exactly like ACN with no real feel of SMN? What would procs do to alleviate that issue?
    It's such a shame that Monks play like Pugilists, White Mages are Conjurers, and Black Mages are Thaumaturges. Summoner, along with the other jobs, is an extension of the base class, Arcanist. Instead of saying that it doesn't feel like a Summoner, maybe you should define what a Summoner is and how that isn't represented.
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  4. #634
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    Shichi Mamura
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolf_Shay View Post
    It's such a shame that Monks play like Pugilists, White Mages are Conjurers, and Black Mages are Thaumaturges. Summoner, along with the other jobs, is an extension of the base class, Arcanist. Instead of saying that it doesn't feel like a Summoner, maybe you should define what a Summoner is and how that isn't represented.
    I personally don't care about SMN, but the person I quoted isn't making a very sensible case.
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  5. #635
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    Quote Originally Posted by Exstal View Post
    I personally don't care about SMN, but the person I quoted isn't making a very sensible case.
    Oh...you're referring to me.
    Let me clarify;
    Proc
    (acr.) (v.) Processed Random Occurrence. Origin comes from MUD, a dated multiplayer online text-based fantasy game. Proc refers to when an additional effect created by a weapon randomly occurs.
    (acr.) (n.) Processed Random Occurrence.
    http://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/wiki/Di...erms_and_Slang

    Example: Free Succor when Sacred Soil is cast.

    A summoner will play like an Arcanist because it is based on the same stats and play-style i.e. DOTs and pets.
    Would you mind clarifying what you would expect from a summoner?
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  6. #636
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    I didn't ask what a proc is. I asked why SMN needs procs.

    If you sat through and read the last 63 pages, excluding posts by Akiza because he's delusional, you'll notice that many of the summoners want to feel like their job title. More interaction with pets, less dots (not going to happen). Then you came in with a suggestion that addressed nothing of the sort.
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  7. #637
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    Quote Originally Posted by BinaryJack View Post
    We have no PROCs.
    So are Monks, Dragoons, Paladins and Warriors. Not every jobs rely on procs. Deal with it.

  8. #638
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    Summoner's gaining the ability to summon the primal isn't a delusion because in every Final Fantasy players never summoned the boss mode magic beasts. Even in Final Fantasy X and XI Summoner's never summoned to boss mod Aeon or Avatar.
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  9. #639
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    Quote Originally Posted by Akiza View Post
    Summoner's gaining the ability to summon the primal isn't a delusion because in every Final Fantasy players never summoned the boss mode magic beasts. Even in Final Fantasy X and XI Summoner's never summoned to boss mod Aeon or Avatar.
    But in most any other FF, summons were merely "You cast a spell, the summoned being appears and does its signature attack, then it leaves." That's not a pet class, though. That's just a black mage with a different set of spell visuals.
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    Razard Baleth
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    Quote Originally Posted by Akiza View Post
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    It is delusional, the Primals themselves are, within the cannon of FFXIV, uncontrollable god-beasts. Even the Beastmen tribes have no real control over them outside of the seeming obligation they have to the race that can summon them. And, as shown with Leviathan, that obligation is shaky at best.

    What makes you think that these Primals would lower themselves to being controlled by any Mortal race.

    Predicted responses:
    1. "Because that's what they did in other FF's." This isn't the other FF's.
    2. "Because that's what summoners do." Define "what summoners do"? We summon an Egi, thus Summoners. And, as other people have mentioned, other FF's where the summoner isn't a standalone job or an equip skill, A summoner has always been mixed with something else. e.g Black or White Mage.
    3. "Because IIIIIII want flashy showoff powers which make me feel special." Now you are just being selfish.
    4. "Because FFXI..." See 1.
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