Considering hanging up my shield due to high level haters.....

[Vahlnir]

I feel like they are saying this basically.

http://fc09.deviantart.net/fs71/f/20...rj-d34bauk.jpg

lol...yeah, you got me there. But it's true. :P

[Emtron]

To put it in perspective I was doing WP duty roulette the Warrior tank and the Scholar were new fresh 50 artifact gear on etc now as we all know that because of the item lv requirements for fresh lv 50 AK and WP are gonna be the starting point of dungeons for alot of people, the Dragoon in the group had some il 100 pieces and a atma etc we could clearly see that the tank and healer were new but here's the thing the dragoon would take it upon themselves to rush ahead and pull adds etc I think we died one or twice before the second boss but other then that it was smooth run and the two newer players were doing a good job despite this dragoon basically tanking. So as we are were waiting for the tank and healer to run back to the room with second boss *they died* The Dragoon says to me I hate running with new players smh I had to remind him that we were all new once and to chill out and the rest of the run went smooth. Long story short this is what alot of newer players deal with.

[Vahlnir]

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My head hurts...but yeah this is pretty accurate. A lot of pressure also falls on new tanks and healers because they are needed to keep the group alive, especially the tank. People are impatient and expect perfection in the DF sometimes though. That is where most of the problem is. I don't see people changing anytime soon though unfortunately.

[silentwindfr]

sadly some fight even with a video, you will not get it...take T5, i'm sure most of the people that have clear it will admit that the dive and twister take some time to understand how it work. because this two mechanic are simply invisible. it's was a way for SE to increase artificially the difficulty of the fight. why? because hardcore gamer ask hard content.
same for titan, even if you look video, you will know the fight, but did you master it? no, it will take time for get it perfectly. why? because one more time SE have up artificially the difficulty of the fight by making plume or stuff be able to avoid if you react directly, if you don't... it's death!video show you the step, but do you have the timing for do it? no, it will take time and time and time and time for get it!
Echo don't help for master this. since most of this mechanic are simply insta death.

T5:
- get hit by the dive => often bump into the limit of the arena... insta death!
- get hit by the twister => insta death
for titan almost every stuff is insta death.

and it's where the game don't involve skill. is not skill to learn a script and respect it. what make a good player, it's him capacity to adapt at the fight and what come... most of the fight in FF14 don't involve this. you know at the advance what will come. all you need it's to be able to know how to avoid what coming. is not skill... we need to be able to adapt to what will happend, without know what will come next!

but sadly, that out of subject. the new player are doomed to play together only and spend countless hours of pain with veteran in roulette. because, they haven't place an ilevel sync for lower dungeon... we have it for all the dungeon before 50 but not there.
and finally, veteran don't want to play with new player... one example: early on ragnarok a pf that was asking i92 for t5 and the achievement of clean X10 or 2 T5 weapon. you will say, they are free to do what they want... but it's a perfect example of the mindset of a large part of the veteran outside.

[Cessna]

I'll say this about videos... videos =/= real experience. Turn 5 makes that abundantly clear, you have to do tiny things in that fight that videos do not go over. For example making adjustments so that on snake phase only the paladin gets 4 stacks of debuff and the warrior gets no debuff. The video for example will only go over something along the lines of the goal is to get 4 stacks on snakes and you should lb snakes at xyz point blah blah blah. You also have to get that stuff burned into your memory so you can preform better. One of the reason for poor dps for example I found out was that the dps had their hands full learning the mechanic and were dropping their dps because they were learning the mechanic first instead of dpsing. Soon as they got some exp, their dps shot back up because they were comfortable in the mechanics and were more comfortable in pumping out dps.

Now I will also say this about videos... just because they don't equal real experience doesn't mean they are worthless. Videos can sometimes be the difference between endless wiping for weeks on end or clearing it that very same day. For example you might find a stragedy that solves a particular problem your party is having with a part of a fight. Not only that but videos do speed up the learning process because you know what your goal is, and what the gist of the mechanics are.

[Noahlimits]

i'm sure most of the people that have clear it will admit that the dive and twister take some time to understand how it work. because this two mechanic are simply invisible.

Incorrect. These aren't 'invisible' things that you just memorize when to dodge every time.

1. Divebombs not only show an icon over the person's head that it will target, but focus targeting twin will cause her life to appear as well, so there are two different visual ques (in addition to an audio cue) that tells you when to dodge.

2. Twintania shows the casting of twister if you have her focus targeted. That's why everyone focus targets her.

If by invisible you mean doesn't show a super obvious giant red circle on the ground where it'll hit, neither does death sentence, fireballs, and a hundred other enemy abilities in this game.

[Oldschool]

I've really never enjoyed playing any game like it's a job. And trust me, the majority of the time, I do team up with like minded players. An instance of what I spoke about was a HM primal, where we only needed to pick up two DPS, to complete the party. I informed them I was new, and they ripped into me without even a seconds pause.

Our party offered them the chance to leave, which they refused and just continued to hurl abuse. While I brushed it off and we eventually got there. I was very taken aback by the whole situation.

Personally will be trying to team up a full party from here on out. It just worries me that, this is what mmo gaming has become.

Sorry to tell you but this is, in fact, what MMO gaming has become.

[Blackcanary]

Just use PF and make practice runs. There you will find people like you who do not watch youtube videos. You do not have to watch those video's to play this game.

[Dimitrias]

I watched a video on G ex b4 the fight and still made a couple of huge mistakes on spiney in a PF group.

First time, the ot didn't pull spiny over to the side and my aoe killed it.

Second time, I was going to use my fire 3 proc on one of the plumes, but it died and changed to spiny, and it 1 hit ko'd it. No way to inturupt it after you cast I didn't realize it changed targets till it was to late.

At the end of the run the caster ring droped, but the leader told me to leave. That I don't deserve the drop because I caused multiple wipes.

Yes even with watching a video, you can still make mistakes, and some people wont allow any mistakes.

When I joined the group it said newcomers welcomed, but after about 3 wipes we exited to repair and go again. Well 3 members left. The leader changed, and aperently the new leader wanted experienced players, but didn't say anything in the chat. Although I read the PF and saw it said "Some experience required" I figured well we just ran it a second ago and got to final phase, so I didn't think much of it. But then the leader said something about I shouldn't of joined if I was unexperianed...

[Amberion]

Snip.

Well, those mistakes seems to have been able to happen to anyone. Not really sure what your statement is though. Do you think you would have been able to do better without watching/reading a guide?