Please give archer a dagger.

[Dargoth_Draconia]

Archers would go for melee attack in options where either we have to be in the mobs face or if there is a certain amount of delay between shots etc. In a dungeon you might be locked into to close quarter areas like small hallways and what not. I would go with option 1 of the OP because it makes the most sense and an Archer would never attack with his bare fists for obvious reasons. His hands are really important and wouldn't take a chance in breaking a finger when having to pull bowstrings. Even if you just gave us a simplified dagger for looks like a hunting knife instead of having using your fists I would be happy.

Actually a lot of bows in the old days could be used as a weapon themselves close range because they were very sturdy and strong made of special wood that won't break from pressure. You could always make it where an Archer slaps the enemy with the bow and the animations would be fairly simple to design.

[Firon]

These arguments make no sense what does it matter if archers use use bare fist close attack. On the post on the lodestone they never said they was removing archers close shot skill so I'm gonna assume you can still shoot close range... if anything your DPS will be even better now. When the mob is close you get free punches plus... shots, I don't get whats the crying is for...

The following basic attacks will be removed:
Pugilist: Heavy Strike
Gladiator: Light Slash
Marauder: Light Swing
Lancer: Light Thrust

Seems to me when solo your gonna be even better now.. and i personally like the ammo thing if they plan to add the different ammo's like they in XI it will be very cool...

[NefGP]

I thought the 12 didn't want us fighting with our bare hands?

[Wynn]

I thought the 12 didn't want us fighting with our bare hands?

I LOL'd

Maybe they've changed their minds since alpha/beta 1?

[Kilta_Firelotus]

not reading thread but i loved playing ranger in ffxi and in ffxivb BECAUSE of manually attacking. When you play elder scroll games for years, you tend to enjoy actually playing your character. even in WoW i tend to spam my light shot or my other arrow moves and my pets kill skill. Just to keep active or I get bored. Even when I play the sims i tend to use puppet mode (no free will sim relies on you.) If I do not stay active in a game I get bored.
Kinda an ADD thing.

[Dargoth_Draconia]

Well for Archer you know the auto attack isn't going to be your main attack but it just doesn't make sense to punch with an Archer for what auto attack that there will be. Some people don't get why it matters but some people look at stuff like this for game immersion, and when things don't make sense and look funny that really takes away from immersion. Sure one or two small things won't kill the feel but you get a handful of small problems and that will wreck it for some.

[Wasu_Strifler]

I can understand that whacking the mob with our hand doesn't seem logic (Ok, slapping the mob like: "Bish you're in my face", feels good). But I don't think that daggers fit with ARC, maybe only throwing daggers then again this is also a long/mid-range move. And reading all the posts just reminds me that we archers need a new bow (a r50 one). Perhaps it's time for a for a new bowtype that can be use to hit the enemy (think like spikes/scales of mobs on the bow or heavily armed with steel to do damage... like blunt w/e). I do like the idea to have a "bow-slamming" move.

EDIT: So just to be clear, something else than crabbow or armored cavalry bow.

[Venat]

Theres no need for daggers for Archer anyway.

Just give them auto-attack stone throw. They are ment to be a long range class anyway. doesnt make sense to give them daggers for this game.

[Cutriss]

I'm making a separate archer auto-attack thread so we can debate it there and hopefully get a separate dev answer direct to the point.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...Yes-please.%29

[Scape]

Theres no need for daggers for Archer anyway.

Just give them auto-attack stone throw. They are ment to be a long range class anyway. doesnt make sense to give them daggers for this game.

But yet, every melee class has ranged attack weapons.