CT Part 2 and gear - will it just be i100 at this point?

[PrimeEvilPanda]

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I wouldn't mind PF, but please....don't allow them to take away the option to DF it solo or with a few of my friends. Contrary to popular belief not everyone myself and my friends meet on DF is a dumb** and I actually enjoy a lot of my DF runs.

I should just take up DF as my shield because I can't help but white-knight my love all over it And the few bad experiences I've had in DF never turn me off the few good ones - I met some really quirky characters in my DF parties. I wish Yoshi would allow me to add cross-sever friends like in GW2.

[Kiara1]

Since most ppl will have close to full i100 gear (if you capped every week) I'm hoping for Ilvl 105. Otherwise it's gonna be like CT1. Queue time 2 hours for a healer

[UBERHAXED]

Since most ppl will have close to full i100 gear (if you capped every week) I'm hoping for Ilvl 105. Otherwise it's gonna be like CT1. Queue time 2 hours for a healer

Just like before, CT will be used to gear alt classes that people won't spend their limited tomes on. It's not intended to be gear to use for your main class.

[Musashidon]

could always just have gear that is for vanity but it's main use for sphere scrolls for novus weapons.

[Cherie]

This thread is kind of silly...

2 things though:

1)Yes they will cater to casuals. Of course they will, they always do. There is no reason not to really. The gear will be worthwhile. It's not going to be the same as coil 1 (i90). It will be better. You will have a reason to do CT2.

2)They aren't going to make new coil irrelevant already by letting you skip having to kill bosses in there. So thoughts of getting sands/oils of time...well, it's possible? But my thoughts are, that if anything, they will offer some kind of unique token/system that is CT2 related. To me, saying CT will have sands/oils is like saying that Levia ex will start dropping i110-115 weapons or something next patch. You know, because....reasons... Not to say that it could and it would be fine, just saying, they do that, and no one will run coil 2.

But, SE could do just that and surprise me. If it does, I'll join those of you that said it would happen and go farm my sands/oils with you.... lol
I think it would be a bad move. I kind of think it would take the wind out of a lot of our static coil 2 groups.

[blowfin]

2)They aren't going to make new coil irrelevant already by letting you skip having to kill bosses in there. So thoughts of getting sands/oils of time...well, it's possible? But my thoughts are, that if anything, they will offer some kind of unique token/system that is CT2 related. To me, saying CT will have sands/oils is like saying that Levia ex will start dropping i110-115 weapons or something next patch. You know, because....reasons... Not to say that it could and it would be fine, just saying, they do that, and no one will run coil 2.

There are a bunch of good reason that Oil/Sands might drop from CT2:
- It gives non coil raiders an upgrade path beyond Soldiery
- It gives coil raiders the chance to fill out their i110 builds with BiS
- CT2 raiders will still gear in i110 slower than coil raiders, I would expect heavy gating/low drop rates for sands/oil
- Having 2 gear streams locked behind coil2 PERMANENTLY doesn't make a whole lot of sense. They could have just added another chest for High Allagan if giving coil more loot was the intention, but they have opted for something flexible.
- Upgraded Gerlot's weapons may well be consolation prizes when the Novus quest line is out.

Myth and Allagan being the same level didn't stop people doing coil1, so I don't see how making Sands/Oil available in CT2 would do it either.

[Purrfectstorm]

Regardless of whether they have i100 or i110 gear in CT2 and/or Sands/Oils, you'll likely be able to only lot once per week like old CT which means it won't invalidate CT or Coil 1 for people gearing up and it won't invalidate Coil 2 for people who are already in full i100 gear. I absolutely do not think CT2 should be just for alts and I think the only reason CT1 turned out that way was because it was delayed.

If CT1 had been available at launch, gearing up would have looked like:
Get an i80 piece per week while farming philosophy for i70 Darklight and capping myth for i90 gear. Enter Coil 1, start farming i90 Allagan gear.

Instead it was:
Run AK, WP, CM until you puke (50 times or so) to get mostly i70 Darklight, get an i90 piece every couple of weeks. Enter Coil, farm i90 Allagan gear (while struggling more).

If you're already in i90+ as of 2.2 then what we have is:
Cap soldiery each week for a piece of i100 gear 1/week or every 2 weeks. Enter Coil 2, try to farm i110 gear and Sands/Oils.

What we could have:
Cap soldiery each week for a piece of i100 gear supplementing with a drop from CT2. You can enter Coil 2 and have a little easier time but one way or the other, you are entering Coil 2. It doesn't even matter if the CT2 gear is i110, you're still capping soldiery, you're still entering Coil 2.

Unless you want to wait 3 months from 2.2 to 2.3, another 3 months from 2.3 to 2.4, before you enter Coil 2, when you're overgeared and there's a new echo buff, at which point, do you think it's going to have any impact at all on SE's business model or on the game experience of those who have been pushing content? All it does is make the newer content more accessible, which is what most people want and what SE has stated they want.

This is not to say that CT2 will definitely be i100 or i110 gear, only that I think it is quite logical given the direction the game seems to be going and I do hope that this is what they're planning. The last thing anyone wants is for Coil 2 players to log in once a week to do Coil 2 and for the non-Coil players to not log in at all, because they've completed all the content they could and are now locked behind some particular piece.

Casual/hardcore, we all want something to do in game and we want to be motivated to do it. Every player wants to see new content that they can use to upgrade their main characters. Content would be useless to a large percentage of the player base if it was relegated to boring "gear alt" status.

[Cherie]

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Everything is in the realm of possibility.

I'm not championing "hardcore" raiders here. I'm also not saying that more gear/more ways to get gear is bad.

There might be "good reasons" for sands/oils to drop in CT2.... doesn't mean that it will happen. At this point, we are both just guessing.

Did SE ever offer stuff that was equal to Coil1 in CT1? No. Could they? I'm not psychic! Do I have reason to believe they will? No.

Are all those people working their butts off on their Animus and soon Novus weapons going to get super angry cause you just got a free upgraded Gerolt weapon in CT2 in less than a hour? I don't think they need to worry.

Also, the upgraded Gerolt weapons are not consolation prizes when Novus come out... >.> If anything they are side grades.... Both represent a serious time investment.

[Craiger]

Them being ilvl 100 is the most reasonable IMO.

Crystal Tower was never meant for the more hardcore players. It was meant for more casual players, or to gear up your alts...

If they were ilvl 100, they would have more importance for some players than CT1.0 gear had in 2.1. That's cause unlike before, the Soldiery gear isn't 110 before you do Coil 2. Which means that a lot of people will still have many ilvl 100 items even after 2.3, which makes CT2 items a viable option in the meanwhile....

It also is even more important for alts, cause even if you start spending Soldiery tomes on them, you would still have to do Coil 2 to get them to 110, which isn't very easy considering it's weekly lockout...

All in all, I think CT2.0 could be a much better addition to the game than CT1.0 was, and if they only add some more higher ilvl gear through Ramuh or some other fight, then I see 2.3 as a success.

[blowfin]

I'm not championing "hardcore" raiders here. I'm also not saying that more gear/more ways to get gear is bad.

Of course, I wasn't saying you were, just putting some thoughts into the discussion.

Also, the upgraded Gerolt weapons are not consolation prizes when Novus come out... >.> If anything they are side grades.... Both represent a serious time investment.

Yeah it's based on the predicate that Novus is i115 as speculated, it makes upgraded Gerolt's second tier weapons. Having said that, the Novus grind will probably be way more work than 3 weeks of Soldiery tomes, and it might make some sense to upgrade Gerolt's while you work on an i115 weapon. As you've said though, we don't know, and this is all speculation.