Yoshi-P confirms Ninja/Thief and gun-using class?

[Kirinichibon]

I don't think Nin will be a tank, i could be wrong.
I would think more that Dark Knight will be the new tank, no?

Every new class that is proposed comes with droves of people kicking and screaming at the suggestion that the class could be a main tank. This game really could use a new tank job. I don't frankly care what it is - but since NIN has a history of tanking in FF online games, it isn't a stretch to assume it might be a tank again here.

I really just want happy fun times killing big monsters with others. I could care less if PLD, NIN, or WHM tanks...

[Exstal]

Every new class that is proposed comes with droves of people kicking and screaming at the suggestion that the class could be a main tank. This game really could use a new tank job. I don't frankly care what it is - but since NIN has a history of tanking in FF online games, it isn't a stretch to assume it might be a tank again here.

But then Red Mage could be a healer, not sure how well that'll roll over. Just make Viking tank and leave Ninja to DPS, like it was intended in FFXI and perverted by the community.

[Kirinichibon]

But then Red Mage could be a healer, not sure how well that'll roll over. Just make Viking tank and leave Ninja to DPS, like it was intended in FFXI and perverted by the community.

I didn't say anything about RDM. I anticipate a new tertiary/support role to be introduced, as I don't see how they can keep squeezing more jobs into the three current roles and keep up with encounter variety.

And case in point (along with a couple others after you) about folks against a particular job doing a particular role.

And nobody in this thread has yet to produce the quote from XI developers about ninja tanks or the yoshi on ninjas in this game. I don't recall that either placed ninja in a particular role - except Yoshi saying that *blink tanking would not be viable in FFXIVARR.

[Kitru]

since NIN has a history of tanking in FF online games

Game. Singular. There is a single instance where Ninja has been a tank. In every other instance, it's DPS. Even in the one case where it was a tank, it was a tank accidentally.

I actually wouldn't be surprised if the patch where we get NIN is actually full on Asian themed and we get SAM (as a tank) and Oracle/Geomancer (as a healer; Oracle was called "Yin Yang User" and Geomancer was called "Feng Shui soldier" as well as "Taoist").

[Kirinichibon]

Game. Singular. There is a single instance where Ninja has been a tank.

And in how many other final fantasy games had paladin as a tank? Warrior? How many other final fantasy games had any concept of a main tank? Are any of these in ffxivarr now?

[Kitru]

And in how many other final fantasy games had paladin as a tank? Warrior? How many other final fantasy games had any concept of a main tank? Are any of these in ffxivarr now?

Single player games have always used different definitions of the trinity roles because you're explicitly allowed to have useless or near useless characters specifically because you're controlling an entire team rather than a single entity while simultaneously not having characters that only exist for a single purpose (e.g. healers have to do something useful when someone doesn't require healing).

What defines a class/job that translates into a tank is a character/class that is designed to soak a lot of hits. PLD, DRK, WAR, etc. are all designed around having the gear with the best defense and having the most hp. *That* is what makes them tank material. There's only a single "healer" anywhere in the FF series (WHM), but you don't see people getting their panties in a knot because SCH is a healer. In fact, if you wanted to look at what class/jobs do in the FF games based upon the trinity definition, basically everything except for WHM would be DPS because no one is allowed to not put out appreciable damage. Hell, even WHM could throw out useful amounts of damage because they need something to contribute when the party doesn't need heals.

NIN has *never* been a durable class with the exception of FFXI. Not even when you factor in evasion because it was ever high enough to offset their low defense and hp. In no way does NIN meet the qualifications that could cause someone to interpret NIN as a tank rather than a DPS.

[Kirinichibon]

basically everything except for WHM would be DPS

And this is why these discussions always come up. A lot of folks still think of SCH as a lesser WHM is FFXIV. And a lot also post that DRK shouldn't be a tank.

I'm less concerned about which role NIN will fill and more about getting more fun party play in XIV. Thief class and ninja job would fit the series' history (hello FF1), but more popular tank would really help the game - and additional DPS jobs would not make the game especially more fun. My knickers will stay un-bunched either way.

[Exstal]

And this is why these discussions always come up. A lot of folks still think of SCH as a lesser WHM is FFXIV. And a lot also post that DRK shouldn't be a tank.

It's because in every other game except for FFXI, there was no TANK/DPS/HEALER. It was DPS and WHM.

[Kirinichibon]

It's because in every other game except for FFXI, there was no TANK/DPS/HEALER. It was DPS and WHM.

So, why are you arguing what role jobs should fill?