Suggestion, make light party content tank/dps/healer/support

[UBERHAXED]

1) "you're one of those guys" - is not "you guys" - "you're one of those people" would have been a more accurate way of including genders.
2) WHMs can heal main tanks...but if you have a WHM and SCH in group, SCH is main tank healer, WHM is better at raid healing.
3) Because it was a stupid comment that required a stupid answer
4) Did you read what I said "best....AOE DAMAGE...."
5) Nope you read it wrong again, and yes I play scholar, of course they have support skills.... on the fairy, that doesn't make them a support class.....they ARE healers.

1) I can't believe you are arguing English semantics... take the subject and the object of the sentence (i.e. "you" and "guys") and you can add any participle or dependent clause between or around and receive the same meaning or action.
2) Again assumptions. If white mages can heal main tanks fine, then there is no point of saying that scholars are the main tank healer.
3) Answering a rhetorical and then replying to my saying that it was rhetorical says things by itself
4) Not sure why you doubt the ability of white mage. They have skills like divine seal (on the same cool down as aetherflow) and presence of mind too.
5) My suggestion (as noted in the opening post) was to reclassify due to them being better at the support role than other jobs (other than the other job i said should be support). Scholars have skills not on the fairy that are support. And a scholar is not a scholar w/o a fairy. A fairy is part of the scholar's skills. You treat fairy skills as scholar skills as no other class or job has access to these skills.

[Remilia_Nightfall]

I agree with the OP.

SCH is too weak, we need buffs. We are unable to be main healers, especially in the second coil.

We need AT LEAST double the amount of Aetherflow charges per minute, and Adloquium should be raised to at least 600 potency. Also, Succor needs to be on par with Medica in terms of raw healing.

Only THEN we will be able to be considered true healers.

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[UBERHAXED]

Lustrate still wins. MP wise, no cast time (Don't say swiftcast+Cure II *wink wink*), and mobility.
Side note : Scholar is Healer class, with a portion of supportive skill.

I didn't say anything about swift cast (scholar can swiftcast too). Scholar has support skills, just as bard has support skills. That's all I said. I didn't say anything bad about the classes.

This troll thread is too good, it's destroying my brain cells.

Thanks for the reply? Well thanks for the bump, but i'm sure that's against the ToS so...

You must be a terrible SCH. The Physic/Embrace macro is quite common (As is putting your little pet on Obey. SMNs do that too btw). It gets used just as much as Cure II, if not more, at a fraction of the cost. It's all the rage among real SCHs.

Also, putting your fairy on Steady prevents it from throwing out extra embraces. But why do that? I want my fairy healing others. That's what it's there for! When it isn't, it heals the MT along with my Physic. It's win/win for me.

You're making yourself looking like an idiot for wanting the superior single target healer to be classified as support. I guess we're both idiots!



As a SMN, I whole-heartedly agree with the Aetherflow charge buff!

I didn't say anything about not using obey (read the whole conversation as I said I used obey). You're the fool who replied to use obey, when that does nothing for your embrace macro. A good scholar would have know to use steady or guard if they want full control of their embraces. Again you reply with using obey, but we are once again (for the third time I say this is a quote) talking about the original conversation of using EMBRACE. Which is not affected by obey. But you're a terrible scholar so you don't know that.
P.S. Apparently there is a hard post per day limit, so I quote you back in time.

Every single ability listed here other than haste is a means of either HP restoration or damage reduction, which are exactly the type of abilities you would expect from a healing class.

I'm not against the idea of support classes, but I wouldn't give that title to any job currently in FFXIV.

Damage reduction was given to all roles, not just healing. Selene only has embrace (as eos) and no abilities that a healer (as a job healing) would use.
And quoting back in time we go...

Well i must /doubt the OP. If he thinks sch suck in any way or form and should be reduced to support because of it, he is utterly clueless. This who concept of tank/healer/ dps/ support will just not work in duty finder. buuut i can see why he is making this suggestion, so if he is a bard he does not have to deal with long queue times. heh funny put both classes he is prob geared with to try to make a point, shaft the rest of the dps into longer queue times.

I am also questioning your main job bard. If you actually think bard is the bottom of the barrel in terms of dps, you need a reality check. well played bards, even if using songs can still outdps some classes in some of the turn 6-9 coils fights. Bards that do know their class well can potentially outdps /any/ class if they do not need to use their songs to regain tp or mana. By all means they are not in any weak state nor are the worst dps. The bard in my coils group will love to have a word with you as he will laugh in your face by these comments. Bard can be wickedly strong in the right hands yet at the same time be crippling weak in the wrong ones. In our coils run, no one holds a candle to our bard in turn 6, turn 7 our bard rivals the rest even when kiting the cyclops around. Turn 8 our bard is quit on par with our dragoon. Our group dps is in no way bad as we can easly bypass mechanics on turn 6 (only one honeyglaze) and turn 8 we skip the mine/dreadnaught tower.

Seriously if you think bards suck, look around and find the really good ones who can explain to you things you may not be doing right. I thought my dps was ok, found out new things by some fellow blm on my server that is not found in the dps fourms which pushed my dps as a blm where its supposed to be gaining me a 20 to 30 dps increase of what i used to pull.

Back on topic, no this is pointless. The only way a support can work to be added is only if they increase a party size. Also as it is, all regular dungeons are a pathetic joke. people overgear them as they are and even in lower lvl dungeons where your gear is lvl synced its hard to mess up and you are never in a situation where a limit break is the /only/ way to kill a boss. If anything dungeons should be tailored for 5 man and include an extra dps slot to quell the already long queue times dps are suffering.

If your dragoon's dps is as low as the bard's then that's an issue with the dragoon player. Denying that all 4 other dps simply out damage bard will only void any chance of argument that you had. I still didn't find any post where I said that bard or scholar was bad or sucks (or any class for that matter). Do yourself a quick ctrl f and don't bother replying if you aren't going to at least read any of my posts.
P.s. Quote back in time

[Pooky_Pasha]

Not sure if serious. I quoted your use of embrace. I did not say anything else about pet skills. Again, you have no control over your party members. If your party takes aoe damage your pet will embrace. There's nothing you can do about that. You make yourself look like an idiot when we are talking about macroing embrace and you reply "derp use obey".

You must be a terrible SCH. The Physic/Embrace macro is quite common (As is putting your little pet on Obey. SMNs do that too btw). It gets used just as much as Cure II, if not more, at a fraction of the cost. It's all the rage among real SCHs.

Also, putting your fairy on Steady prevents it from throwing out extra embraces. But why do that? I want my fairy healing others. That's what it's there for! When it isn't, it heals the MT along with my Physic. It's win/win for me.

You're making yourself looking like an idiot for wanting the superior single target healer to be classified as support. I guess we're both idiots!

I agree with the OP.

SCH is too weak, we need buffs. We are unable to be main healers, especially in the second coil.

We need AT LEAST double the amount of Aetherflow charges per minute, and Adloquium should be raised to at least 600 potency. Also, Succor needs to be on par with Medica in terms of raw healing.

Only THEN we will be able to be considered true healers.

....

As a SMN, I whole-heartedly agree with the Aetherflow charge buff!

[Susanoh]

It just occurs to me that scholars have the most support abilities out of most classes. It has the fairy aoe haste, fairy aoe damage reduction, fairy aoe regen, fairy aoe heal buff, several shielding skills, several mitigation skills, etc... Along with a weaker heals than the pure healing class whm.

Every single ability listed here other than haste is a means of either HP restoration or damage reduction, which are exactly the type of abilities you would expect from a healing class.

I'm not against the idea of support classes, but I wouldn't give that title to any job currently in FFXIV.

[RegnumMagik]

Thanks for the reply? Well thanks for the bump, but i'm sure that's against the ToS so...

I'm simply congratulating you on this wonderful troll thread, there's no question about it baby.

[Infina]

I agree with the OP.

SCH is too weak, we need buffs. We are unable to be main healers, especially in the second coil.

We need AT LEAST double the amount of Aetherflow charges per minute, and Adloquium should be raised to at least 600 potency. Also, Succor needs to be on par with Medica in terms of raw healing.

Only THEN we will be able to be considered true healers.

....

That won't help though. WHM can heal main tanks fine! They're the only healer!

Nerf WHM. Cure should have 50 potency and Cure 2 should have 51 potency. Benediction you say? Let's make that a 5% heal. Remove Regen too, that's a support skill! Give it to SCH!

[Shadowzanon]

Well i must /doubt the OP. If he thinks sch suck in any way or form and should be reduced to support because of it, he is utterly clueless. This who concept of tank/healer/ dps/ support will just not work in duty finder. buuut i can see why he is making this suggestion, so if he is a bard he does not have to deal with long queue times. heh funny put both classes he is prob geared with to try to make a point, shaft the rest of the dps into longer queue times.

I am also questioning your main job bard. If you actually think bard is the bottom of the barrel in terms of dps, you need a reality check. well played bards, even if using songs can still outdps some classes in some of the turn 6-9 coils fights. Bards that do know their class well can potentially outdps /any/ class if they do not need to use their songs to regain tp or mana. By all means they are not in any weak state nor are the worst dps. The bard in my coils group will love to have a word with you as he will laugh in your face by these comments. Bard can be wickedly strong in the right hands yet at the same time be crippling weak in the wrong ones. In our coils run, no one holds a candle to our bard in turn 6, turn 7 our bard rivals the rest even when kiting the cyclops around. Turn 8 our bard is quit on par with our dragoon. Our group dps is in no way bad as we can easly bypass mechanics on turn 6 (only one honeyglaze) and turn 8 we skip the mine/dreadnaught tower.

Seriously if you think bards suck, look around and find the really good ones who can explain to you things you may not be doing right. I thought my dps was ok, found out new things by some fellow blm on my server that is not found in the dps fourms which pushed my dps as a blm where its supposed to be gaining me a 20 to 30 dps increase of what i used to pull.

Back on topic, no this is pointless. The only way a support can work to be added is only if they increase a party size. Also as it is, all regular dungeons are a pathetic joke. people overgear them as they are and even in lower lvl dungeons where your gear is lvl synced its hard to mess up and you are never in a situation where a limit break is the /only/ way to kill a boss. If anything dungeons should be tailored for 5 man and include an extra dps slot to quell the already long queue times dps are suffering.

[Jandor]

Scholar is a healer, Bard is the closest to a hybrid of DPS/Support but it won't really be fully there till an expansion and a few more abilities.
Changing the 4 man queue isn't necessary. Changing the 8 man might be prudent with an expansion and a few more support jobs in the game, but for 4 man stuff support can just queue as DPS.

(Assuming support will be like Bards, i.e. good DPS that can be sacrificed for utility instead.)

[BunnyChain]

To give you an idea about SCH healing, OP.

Our turn 8 kill:

Me, SCH, healed: 58% (including Eos and Galvanize) [22% overhealing]
Our WHM healed: 40% [30% overhealing]

Does SCH still look like a support to you?