Suggestion, make light party content tank/dps/healer/support

[Alistaire]

Aside from your idea of putting sch in the support category (lol @ weaker than whm), assuming the new gun job is support, as Yoshi said "it's not what we expect", then doing what you suggest would make for some god-awful terrible queues for the support role when it comes out.

[UBERHAXED]

Aside from your idea of putting sch in the support category (lol @ weaker than whm), assuming the new gun job is support, as Yoshi said "it's not what we expect", then doing what you suggest would make for some god-awful terrible queues for the support role when it comes out.

By pure potency comparison, whm has both higher single target and aoe heals. That was my point.

[SDaemon]

By pure potency comparison, whm has both higher single target and aoe heals. That was my point.

Still doesn't place SCH in a support category lol

[Pooky_Pasha]

By pure potency comparison, whm has both higher single target and aoe heals. That was my point.

I'm not really sure about this. As far as I'm concerned, SCH are easily the superior single target healer.
Physic=Cure=400 potency
Physic+Embrace=700 potency > Cure II=650 potency
Lustrate > everything

Plus, SCH doesn't generate a crap ton of enmity.

Anyway, with your setup, there are to many dps classes/jobs. Also, there really isn't a need for a support role, as there isn't really a support class/job. Bard comes the closest, but it usually boils down to Foe's Requiem if you have a BLM/SMN in the party, or Mage's Ballad if you have an overhealing WHM. I'm hoping in the future, the devs try to fit in a true support role somewhere that would greatly benefit the party. It's just that in the current state of the game, it isn't that big of a deal, and it won't be until at least the first expansion.

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I'm not really sure about this. As far as I'm concerned, SCH are easily the superior single target healer.
Physic=Cure=400 potency
Physic+Embrace=700 potency > Cure II=650 potency
Lustrate > everything

Plus, SCH doesn't generate a crap ton of enmity.

Anyway, with your setup, there are to many dps classes/jobs. Also, there really isn't a need for a support role, as there isn't really a support class/job. Bard comes the closest, but it usually boils down to Foe's Requiem if you have a BLM/SMN in the party, or Mage's Ballad if you have an overhealing WHM. I'm hoping in the future, the devs try to fit in a true support role somewhere that would greatly benefit the party. It's just that in the current state of the game, it isn't that big of a deal, and it won't be until at least the first expansion.

You assume that when every you use physic you can use embrace, which is not true. The cooldown for embrace is longer than physic (and is also not able to be decreased) and unless your pet is on guard, you also can't control every embrace (the pet could be using embrace on another target when you want to use it on your target, so you have to wait until the pet is off cooldown). Lustrate is also not greater than everything. A tank will low HP will restore less hp with a lustrate than a cure II for example (on a geared healer).

[Pooky_Pasha]

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I assume nothing. I simply macro Physic/Embrace together. If they go off together, they go off together. It can't control all of them, but most of them yes, if the rest of your group isn't derping it up. If they do derp, or take unavoidable damage, that's what AoE heals are for, or simply just throwing them a Physic. It's hardly ever needed they go off together, but they go off together more often than Cure II is needed, at half the mp cost and a fraction of the enmity.

Yes, Lustrate > everything simply because it scales so much better than any other cure, it costs no mp, and is NOT on gcd (only 1 sec cooldown). On my WAR, the only things that can beat it are Cure II Crit (barely), Physic/Embrace double Crit (barely), or and Adloquium Crit. Speaking of Adloquium...

Adloquium=300 potency heal+300 potency shield=600 effective potency...until it crits! Then it becomes 450 potency cure+ 900 potency shield=1350 potency!

So yeah...SCH > WHM for single target heals.

But really, if you are in an 8-man party with a SCH/WHM combination, the SCH should take the MT and the WHM should take the OT/party damage with an occasional Cure I for the MT. It's kind of like the WHM is supporting the SCH...

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stuff more than 1000 characters

You're messing with random numbers (crits, unreliable pet actions) in your explanation. Why don't you try to use reliable numbers which you can replicate in any situation?

[Pooky_Pasha]

You're messing with random numbers (crits, unreliable pet actions) in your explanation. Why don't you try to use reliable numbers which you can replicate in any situation?

I did. You're just ignoring them. Both SCH and WHM cures are affected by crits. SCH's cures are simply enhanced more by crits. And again, there is Lustrate...it's about as reliable as it gets. A straight 25% heal at no mp cost and no enmity.

If you're pet is acting unreliably, put it on Obey and control it. The only ability not on Obey is Embrace. Again, if your group isn't derping up, your pet doesn't have to throw out extra Embraces. My pet is pretty reliable. I'm not sure what yours does.

[AarinEphemera]

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Okay. Number one. Embrace Skill. I have 2 separate Physick for this purpose.Regular Physick and macro'd Physick+Embrace for single target healing. It still heals perfectly even others on low health, Eos still obey on my command to heal the target. And you saying Lustrate is not greater than everything.Ok.Lets compare to Benediction. Benediction have instant cast yes but the skill animation? No.Benediction technically takes 1 second to land or target due to skill animation. Also don't forget that Benediction have 300s (5 min) cooldown.Lustrate is MaxHP-based healing ability by flat 25% MaxHP per Aetherflow charge. It's a good "Oh crap" skill aside from Benediction although it heals less, but able to spam 3 Lustrate at a time means 75% MaxHP healed.And the cooldown is FAR lower than Benediction which is 1 minute per 3 charge of Aetherflow. 100% HP heal every 5 minute vs 75% HP healed per 1 minute (375% HP total for 5 minute).

*Gets flame shield*

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*Gets flame shield*

I didn't compare, nor did I hint to compare lustrate to benediction. I compare it to cure II.