Zodiac Weapon quests's feedback to Yoshida (since you asked for it from your letter)

[Duuude007]

Finished my Animus last night, guess I'll supply feedback just in case this is read by anyone on SEs side.

Don't change anything about the rng/grinding aspect of this weapon. You provided many alternative and superior paths to obtain i100+ weapons for anyone that is skilled at the game. This weapon is in no way necessary for anyone only aiming for endgame raiding nor is it necessary for any content outside of coil. It is a trophy for those of us that are up for a long-term grind, something that was generally lacking in this game.

The only negative thing I can say about the quest is that it brought back a high level of impatience to the duty finder. Brayflox hm runs via duty finder are in no way enjoyable due to the speed runners throwing a fit every time someone new to the quest joins. Main scenario roulette has also been negativly affected by bringing back a higher number of people that are unwilling to let those newly completing the game to enjoy the experience.

I would have no problem if the book completion requirements were doubled or tripled to compensate for a reduction in myth tomes required for each book.

Aside from all of that, thank you for including content that takes a long time to attain/upgrade. I'm proud of my effort and happy to have something not everyone has the patience to complete.

^ Best feedback yet on the topic of Atma/Animus.

[Yumi_umi]

If only someone with all 9 animus weps could post a reply to SE lol.
Cuz only that person will know the true feeling of what kind of grind atma / animus is.
Cuz that's 108 atma pieces &
121,500 myth tomes.
Do that and you shall earn the rights to most important poster in atma threads! Seriously only an insane player would do this.

[Teslo]

It's easy to say that there's nothing wrong with the RNG factor when you've beaten it. Those of us who do have the patience to complete this and are still only 5 Atmas in after; how long has this content patch been out?; despite constant farming, we obviously have a different opinion. We've been totally screwed over by this and a lack of any kind of communication is only making it worse. I don't mind taking a long time to farm something. I like the idea that something is hard. But this isn't HARD. It's LUCK. Bashing my face into a screen for months on end praying to any deity that'll listen to just LET IT DROP THIS TIME is not FUN or CHALLENGING. I'm looking forward to several months from now when I can start doing books, because at least I'll have a metric by which to gauge my progress. THAT makes a long grind tolerable. Get off your high "I won, you're impatient and suck, so stop bitching" horse. There's a real problem here and people with that kind of attitude are making it worse.

[Duuude007]

Get off your high "I won, you're impatient and suck, so stop bitching" horse. There's a real problem here...

If they consider making zodiac gating easier, then they will be forced to consider the same for high allagan weapons. For balance.

Be careful what you wish for.

[Langureion]

Humm....maybe spend your valuable time on real life stuff rather than this? lol

[Raestloz]

If they consider making zodiac gating easier, then they will be forced to consider the same for high allagan weapons. For balance.

Be careful what you wish for.

I don't get your reasoning.

High Allagan Weapons drop from the last Turn of Bahamut. If you somehow managed to procure it, you've just defeated the entirety of Bahamut WIHOUT it. It's now nothing but a bragging rights until the next turn of Bahamut rolls.

At that point, no amount of balance will counter the fact that you've finished Bahamut. I'm not saying that they can make them have 99999 damage and be totally a-okay, but what kind of balance can you bring to the table to counter removing the RNG aspect of Atma?

[Unmotivated]

I honestly can't wait to see what crap they're going to pull for the next step.

I really don't think they put a lot of thought into these as typical weapon progression, their main concern was to funnel people back into old content that doesn't see any play on it's own merits. Do you think it's a coincidence that upgrading to atma requires you to do level 10 content in the starter zones just in time for the new PS4 players? That the books require you to do dungeons that you are guaranteed to have completed already, and that the FATEs you need for the books that were once regular occurrences now seem to respawn a lot less frequently than they used to?

That's ultimately my only real problem with the relic upgrade path, how blatant they're being about what it's really for. Instead of a reasonable challenge to upgrade like it was to make in the first place, they're simply using it as an excuse to pad the numbers of their less successful content.

[Nekodar]

I don't get your reasoning.

High Allagan Weapons drop from the last Turn of Bahamut. If you somehow managed to procure it, you've just defeated the entirety of Bahamut WIHOUT it. It's now nothing but a bragging rights until the next turn of Bahamut rolls.

At that point, no amount of balance will counter the fact that you've finished Bahamut. I'm not saying that they can make them have 99999 damage and be totally a-okay, but what kind of balance can you bring to the table to counter removing the RNG aspect of Atma?

I thought the comment was obvious... easier zodiak gating might lead to second coil nerf...

[Katchii]

I thought the comment was obvious... easier zodiak gating might lead to second coil nerf...

1) The Zodiac content isn't hard now, it's completely luck based. An FC member got all 12 of his Atma in about 13 hours in 1 day, while someone else spent 4 days, 3-4 hours each day on ONE.

2) The main grind for the Atma weapons comes in the form of the books. If they increased or changed the drop chance of Atmas, they could easily tweak the books to account for the difference by making them cost more, or increasing the number of tasks needed to finish them.

3) The Turn 9 Weapons are acquired from skill, while the Zodiac weapons are acquired by time are inferior to the Turn 9 weapons, equal or inferior to the Leviathan Ex weapons. Making the Atma for Zodiac weapon chain easier to get would not change the mechanics needed to acquire those other weapons and would have a negligible affect on game balance. Those with skill and are in Turn 2 content, already have weapons equal to or better than the Zodiac weapons

[omfgwtf]

have any of the people griping about this ever played any other ff title... the relic weapons are a staple of the game.. they are supposed to be incredibly hard to obtain and make you very OP. if you don't like grinding or rng.. maybe mmorpg is not for you. not everyone is supposed to have them.. im not sure why Yoshi is catering to whiney people and not to the hardcore ff fans that have stood by them for YEARS. im currently working on my 4th atma weapon with 2 animus already complete... and some of those at atmas took me a LONG ass time to get.. but you eventually WILL get them...