Please give archer a dagger.

[Jennestia]

Because they wanted a game, not a remake. XI can have its remake after it becomes a classic adored by all.

I suggest you start convincing those fans, because most conventions I go to they just aren't that interested in MMO games, and traipse over the XI you hold so dear.

Most assumed XIV would be a bigger and better FFXI, just like WoW was a bigger and "better" version of AO/UO. XI wouldn't have survived a decade and paid for numerous SE projects if it was that bad of a thing like people like to make it out to be whenever "FFXI-2/Remake/HD/Etc" is brought up.

[Kallera]

Most assumed XIV would be a bigger and better FFXI, just like WoW was a bigger and "better" version of AO/UO. XI wouldn't have survived a decade and paid for numerous SE projects if it was that bad of a thing like people like to make it out to be whenever "FFXI-2/Remake/HD/Etc" is brought up.

I'm just saying even the fans are split as to whether they even want to talk about it. Especially If 7 hasn't been remade yet.

[Wynn]

Most assumed XIV would be a bigger and better FFXI, just like WoW was a bigger and "better" version of AO/UO. XI wouldn't have survived a decade and paid for numerous SE projects if it was that bad of a thing like people like to make it out to be whenever "FFXI-2/Remake/HD/Etc" is brought up.

They assumed incorrectly. They also ignored the developers who were very clear in the fact this game was not going to be XI take 2.

I still play XI and I like the game. Like anyone else, there are things I don't like about it but, overall, I like it.

However, that is really neither here nor there because the intention with XIV was to create a game that appealed to a different demographic in the MMO player spectrum. Of course, SE can come in here and tell me I'm wrong if that is true. But it stands to reason they specifically wanted to create something that stood apart from XI as to not cannibalize their current player base. They want to add to their subscriber numbers, not divide the current base between two games. That wouldn't make any sense from any standpoint, especially a financial one.

[Zanfire]

Basically that Archers shouldn't be formidable fighters from both long and close range, and that they want/ are aiming for different classes/jobs to compliment each other in battle, not just be a mishmash over everything together/jack of all trades (for the most part anyway). At least thats what I got.

For me im not even talking about giving them sub weapons, though the whole 1 to 1 weapon thing clearly is an excuse for things, when multi classes use sheilds and the 2 mage classes BOTH have staff and wand...but anyways

my agrument was for doing something different for ARC. I started a thread about it with a few ideas Like unlimited arrows (arrow + bow = full weapon) Giving some unlimited basic shot (weak arrows) ..ect.

There are better ways then just saying, ARC gets no auto attack, they can punch things.

[Chocobits]

If Chuck Norris was an ARC this would be a moot conversation. Chuck Norris attacks once. ONCE. Auto Attack just means you're within roundhouse distance.

Since he's not, and since it makes little conceptual sense for ARC to A) Punch B) Stab C) Roundhouse kick to the face, then either giving ARC ranged AA or creating a special action gauge just for them makes sense from a DPS perspective.

As has been said before, fixing ARC (and mage classes for that matter) is moot while every mob in the game doubles as ARC with devastating ranged attacks.

My closing thoughts: WTF ^(*W)UT+)U(#E^% were the devs thinking making every mob used ranged attacks?! I want some of what they were smoking. How did the final board meeting go the week before the game went live?

Tanaka: Everything is ready to rolllllllllllll!
Dev Team: But Mr. Tanaka, the battle UI hasn't..
Tanaka: ROLLLLLLLL!
Dev Team: And the maps sir, those were just what you drew on the back of a napkin, we never actually had the world map designer come in and..
Tanaka: HAHA! Fantastic.
Dev Team: It takes players 3-10 seconds to execute commands in battl..
Tanaka: (Thinking out loud) I wonder if it's possible to earn a Nobel prize for a video game.. I'll find out soon enough!
Dev Team: Sir all the mobs in the game use ranged attacks as well, making ranged DD/Mage classes useless..
Tanaka: (Sigh) But they can't use terrain advantage.. we learned from FFXI!
Dev Team: And that Centralized Economy plan we were still working on hasn't been put in...
Tanaka: ECONOMY?! There's plenty of economy. They farm many Marmot, they sell Marmot hide at NPC vendor! If they sell too much though, maybe we ban them for RMT (evil laugh)!
Dev Team: Can we at least put in the feature so they can manage linkshell administration anywhere in the worl..
Tanaka: NO! We talk face to face in this game! You no want me to fire you over the phone do you? NO! You want be fired face to face! In fact.. you FIRED! HAHA!

Two months later:
Tanaka wakes up violently at his desk: My god, that was some powerful Peyote.. (presses buzzer) Hey Carol, how has the game held up while I was in mushroom land? Did I get that Nobel nomination yet? (pause) WHAT? The players said what?! Amazon.com said WHAT? Game sells for $14 and no one will BUY it?! GameStop no carry it?!
..
(Inner reflection) I should really stop overseeing productions in a drug-riddled haze. Hey Nancy, who all from the Dev Team hasn't quit yet? Hmm.. Let's try this. I'll fall on my sword and we'll give this Yoshida slugger a chance.

Carol: My name is Carol sir.
Tanaka: Nancy make a note of that: her name is Carol. I have a hangover.

[Teknoman]

Maybe multi attack crossbows?

[viion]

Basically that Archers shouldn't be formidable fighters from both long and close range, and that they want/ are aiming for different classes/jobs to compliment each other in battle, not just be a mishmash over everything together/jack of all trades (for the most part anyway). At least thats what I got.

If you dont want Archers to compliment both close range and long range then dont give them a fist to fight with..............

[Malakhim]

If Chuck Norris was an ARC this would be a moot conversation. Chuck Norris attacks once. ONCE. Auto Attack just means you're within roundhouse distance.

Post of the day.

[Jennestia]

If you dont want Archers to compliment both close range and long range then dont give them a fist to fight with..............

For someone who seems to prey on other's logic you seem to forget one crucial thing:

Just because something is set in front of you doesn't mean it will automatically be worthwhile to use. Even though you didn't play this MMO, FFXI allowed RDM's to use staffs -- however you knew better than to use it in melee because it wasn't worthwhile to do for that job. Archer's can punch but their strength logically lies within their ranged attack, not h2h combat.

If you did play FFXI, you should know better that it wasn't made to "compliment" both playstyles, it was given because their AA wasn't ranged attacks.

[Chocobits]

If you dont want Archers to compliment both close range and long range then dont give them a fist to fight with..............

God, or whichever of the Twelve they believe in gave them fists. You don't see Mages bar room brawling though.