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  1. #671
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    Rynia's Avatar
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    Rynia Tenendora
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    Shiva
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    Ooh, you're on my server!
    If you want help send me a tell, I'll be your backup heals =P
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  2. #672
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    ColorOfSakura's Avatar
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    Aerik Tirel
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    Mateus
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by lxSch View Post
    I do not understand why did you:
    - start a sch strategy discussion while being a whm;
    - start a speedrun while being undergeared for it;
    - expect a smooth speed run in DF.
    1. I was commenting on someone bitching about how a Scholar was using Cure instead of Physick and commenting on how Cure has less Cure potency than Physick (which it doesn't.) and the conversation moved from there to discussing cure potency overall. I obviously got the thing about Cure II wrong, but in my defense I was going by memory and didn't have the actual skill description in front of me, so I assumed it was 600. I was obviously wrong there, so apologies.

    2. I didn't start the speedrun in Brayflox via Duty Finder. Re-read my posts. The WAR did a speed run pull without giving ANYONE the chance to respond and say "Hey we're not geared for a speedrun" otherwise I would have done so. They literally charged ahead right off the bat and did one pull of the first area, we wiped, I mentioned "I'm undergeared for a speed run." He said "Okay, I'll slow down". And then when we got to the pulls before the second boss, he pulled everything again anyways and we wiped a second time. I can't be faulted for the Tank choosing not to take five seconds to make sure the group is capable of a speed run. So let me re-iterate again to be clear: I did not instigate the speedrun, the Tank did. We wiped because I was unprepared and undergeared for it. I entered Brayflox Hard through Roulette to get Soldiery tomes, not to speedrun.
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  3. #673
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    BinaryJack's Avatar
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    Jack Magus
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    Shiva
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    Arcanist Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Rynia View Post
    Ooh, you're on my server!
    If you want help send me a tell, I'll be your backup heals =P
    Another Shiva server member....I thought I would never see one!
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  4. #674
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    Ghishlain's Avatar
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    Ghishlain Pyrial
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    Mateus
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    White Mage Lv 80
    Had what felt like a 15+ minute Garuda HM run last night.

    Did my Trial DR for the night and ended up with Garuda HM. Alright, no problem. A cursory glance at the HP values indicated to me that people were relatively new but both PLDs were at least 6K HP+ and the other healer was sitting at around 3.8K HP, so the core of the team had a good amount of HP and indicated to me we were over geared.

    Got to the fight, MT has no idea where to actually pull Garuda after Aerial Blast. People were eating constant tornadoes and slipstreams due to positioning and the OT wasn't picking up the sisters very well at all. On the 4th Mistral Shriek, we all wipe.

    MNK in party asks if we can swap tanks. Promptly gets kicked for harassment. I mimic the sentiment and told the MT plainly that they didn't know how to position Garuda and then was going to start to explain the positioning when the MT left. Then the other healer left. Well poop.

    I poke my FC and get a SCH and PLD to que in progress to join up. At this time, a new BRD also joins and we're back up to a full party AND 10% Echo. This should go well.

    We do the pulls again, get post Aerial Blast and then the crap starts to hit the fan. DPS is having issues downing sisters and when the tornados bisect the arena and start to rotate, neither BLM, BRD, or SMN move from the rotation (most likely unable to understand the mechanics) and are promptly splattered on the ground. The OT has issues positioning the sisters properly and getting people Wicked Wheeled and Slipstreamed constantly. This goes on for several rotations as myself and the SCH do our best to maintain party health and raise people while going through the ordeal. Garuda's life is barely moving as the green beam sister manages to regenerate all life we did from the previous phase. You know it's bad when my SCH friend is constantly riding close to 500MP due to massive amounts of healing to be done. I was popping Shroud on cool down and X-Ethers like they're candy.

    Thankfully, the DRG with an Ifrit weapon is in full myth and can survive several single sister Mistral Shrieks and the BLM begins to understand the fight more often and is able to dodge mechanics more frequently as the fight progresses. When prompted to AoE Limit Break 3, we started to finally make some headway, but it was still hardly making a dent in Garuda's HP pool. Eventually, trusting in my healing partner, I started to DPS, with my Stone II's taking chunks of life off the sisters and Garuda thanks to being i94 and 10% Echo (I'm pretty certain I was out DPSing the BRD + SMN + BLM combined). Things go on like this for a while more and we were able to get a second Limit Break 3.

    Yes, I repeat myself. A SECOND LIMIT BREAK THREE.

    Eventually, we down the feathery fiend thanks to a LB1 from our DRG once he realized Garuda was weak enough to finish on before the next sister spawn.

    As my SCH friend put it: "The Garuda HM of the century"
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    Last edited by Ghishlain; 05-15-2014 at 06:33 AM. Reason: character limit

  5. #675
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    Ghishlain's Avatar
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    Ghishlain Pyrial
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    White Mage Lv 80
    Apparently, double post time. Trial DR is disliking me lately.

    Ifrit HM tonight. 4K HP PLD, 5.4KHP WAR, 3K HP BRD + SCH, 3.8KHP DRG. Okay, I can live with that. Most of them look like fresh 50s based on HP and appearance. I'll just compensate for any tardy play and keep people maintained. I can heal Ifrit HM with my eyes closed. I do notice our DPS was 3x BRD + DRG so I know our nail phase is gonna be a bit harder than most, but I'll just help through DPS onto the nails as we go to it.

    Right off the bat, MT and OT can't decide who's tanking. WAR thought it was tanking first then I guess there was a disagreement, so the PLD started to MT. Mind you, they were both standing in front of Ifrit, getting cleaved, and they kept bouncing hate off each other so it was difficult to tell who to heal. All good, Regen both, pop heals as needed, stay out of Cleric's Stance since the tanks are bumbling a bit - no issue.

    The BRD with 4.2K HP + Atma weapon pulls hate while the tanks decide "who's MTing". They're standing beside the poor little SCH who promptly gets cleaved and breathed and dies a horrible death. Ouch. I Swiftcast + Raise and resume normal duties while the tanks bumble with positioning Ifrit in a relatively safe area (relatively - still not quite at the edge). Because of bouncing hate at the positioning of the tanks, the DRG gets cleaved on occasion, but easily handled. Eventually, hate stabilizes onto the PLD.

    One of the BRDs is having issues dodging tackles and erruptions, again, can be healed through, since nothing in Ifrit HM is particularly deadly at this stage of the game. There is a sense of foreboding here with the inadequacy of the dodging and how the tanks are handled Ifrit earlier, but I swallow that feeling and keep going.

    Nails come and pass without issue (and surprisingly no need to LB either - I contributed DoTs while keeping the MT up). Inferno happens, we survive.

    Not sure what happens, but the MT goes splat at this point in the stage when plumes happen (I'm going to guess he got hit with a stacked plume + an attack from Ifrit immediately afterwards). Ifrit comes chasing after me. I put Ifrit into position, give myself a few Cure IIs and wonder if the WAR will Provoke off me. I don't see Provoke for 15 seconds and determined the person hasn't gotten all their cross classes yet, so I Shroud and hate goes back to the OT. At this point in time, SCH gets the MT back up.

    The full party is only alive for a few seconds as Ifrit uses his 4 x 4 players erruption trick. This wipes two party members as most players don't know how to dodge this and it wasn't stunned. Then the 95% Arena plumes come and take out two more people. Without further ado, I run to the middle and Limit Break 3 to get everyone back up. For some reason, my Limit Break is consumed but no one is raised at all (I feel like I half bugged it by accidentally tapping my move button at just the right interval to cancel the LB but consume the bars) At this point in time the 4.2K HP BRD drops party (one of the theories my FC has is this BRD dropped while I was LBing hence why it didn't do anything, I wasn't paying attention as I was confused in general). Since that trick didn't work, the next Vulcan Burst killed the DRG and PLD leaving myself and the WAR alive.

    Well, this sucks.

    So I'm healing the WAR through everything weighing the options in my head and trying to determine if its better to wipe and reset and wait for a DPS or keep fighting it out. The WAR wasn't really dodging Eruptions making it hard to focus on much else short of heals. After one full rotation from Ifrit I decide to say "Ah, to hell with it" and Swiftcast + Raise the SCH during Tackles. SCH gets the other PLD back up and slowly we put the party back together, one Swiftcast at a time. One of the issues was the OT wasn't stunning the 4 x 4 Eruptions, instead he was stunning Plumes which made me go "Bwah?!", so the one BRD who couldn't really dodge kept dying. But we trucked on.

    And 15 minutes later, we won.

    My fingers hurt.
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    Last edited by Ghishlain; 05-15-2014 at 10:06 AM. Reason: character limit

  6. #676
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    Lilysparkle's Avatar
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    Lily Lunaheart
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    Gilgamesh
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    Arcanist Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Ghishlain View Post
    As my SCH friend put it: "The Garuda HM of the century"
    I was having to use energy drain to help get MP back (as well as one hi-elixir). :O That was all mostly because of having to resurrect the DPS about 3-4 times each. >_<
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  7. #677
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    Ashkendor Zahirr
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    Balmung
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    Paladin Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by ColorOfSakura View Post
    So let me re-iterate again to be clear: I did not instigate the speedrun, the Tank did. We wiped because I was unprepared and undergeared for it. I entered Brayflox Hard through Roulette to get Soldiery tomes, not to speedrun.
    See... as a tank going into DF, I never assume that people want a speed run, even if they look like they're geared for it. Not everyone is down with that kind of thing. I didn't realize exactly how stressful it was on the healer until I ran into a tank that did a speed run of Stone Vigil. Jesus. She had two Aevis beating on her and pulled more mobs in and it was all I could do to keep her alive. The entire run was like that. As soon as a pull would get down to the last 1-2 mobs barely clinging to life, she'd run off to pull the next ones with them still tagging along behind her. At least we only had one death (the BLM stood in the AoE of three Aevis at once, not much I can do about that).

    I think the absolute worst run I've ever been on so far was a Brayflox run with a level 33 Gladiator (yes, Gladiator; she hadn't done her job change) that had no idea whatsoever how to hold aggro. She would kind of halfheartedly hit things and use Flash every so often at random, but it was pretty clear she didn't even know what her primary hate combo was. Explanations seemed to fall on deaf ears, so I spent half the dungeon kiting mobs. Since I'm a tank first and a healer second, I know to run TO the tank when I'm getting hit so they can pull the mobs off me... except this one never did. The worst part was we ended up with a Monk tanking the dragon. -.-

    Close behind that was a T1 coil run where one of the tanks was using a Gallant surcoat and Strength-based PVP accessories. She didn't even make it to the point where Cadeuces has stacks on him and starts hitting really hard. Right from the get-go, three attacks and she's down. We tried. Oh lord, we tried. I finally ended up telling her that she needed to fix her gear; I was nice about it. I even told her what stats she *should* be stacking (Strength and Morale isn't gonna cut it, I'm sorry...) She said: Well, if you can't finish it with me then just kick me. So... we did. We all felt pretty bad afterward as it was clear she was trying, but she couldn't survive more than a minute or so into the fight, and during that minute she had a hard time holding hate off the DPS. There was no way that we would've finished that run with the way that she was geared.
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    Last edited by Ashkendor; 05-17-2014 at 05:44 PM.

  8. #678
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    fanservice's Avatar
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    Astrid Merle
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    Leviathan
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    Arcanist Lv 63
    T2 enrage mode.

    We wipe.

    Before that, I noticed the WHM I was healing with died with 40% of her MP remaining. I was empty from having to over-use succor as a SCH because the WHM didn't aoe heal. She didn't even keep medica 2 up.

    Before that I noticed she was at 75% to my 33%.

    I assure you, i used aetherflow, energy drain, and ethers.

    That WHM was literally being a jerk to me.

    Her excuse was 'I'm not going to use MP when everyone was at full HP'.

    This is T2 enrage. That never happens, I rouse->whispering dawn, which is only 1/3rd of the time.

    A SCH should never have to make up for a WHM in AOE healing... ESPECIALLY NOT ON T2 ENRAGE MODE!
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    Last edited by fanservice; 05-19-2014 at 06:24 AM.

  9. #679
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    TheFluffyCat's Avatar
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    Aelia Caelum
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    Hyperion
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    Conjurer Lv 50
    Recently had my first run in Cutter's Cry, which is what prompted my memory of this thread. Here are 3 tales of healing fails:

    My bad:

    Queued for Low Level DR, and up pops Cutter's Cry...which I didn't realize I had already unlocked, so I hadn't watched any videos, read any strategy guides, nada. I also had forgotten to repair my gear before the run, and had also completely forgotten that I had recently acquired Regen. Bad news bears.

    I told the group I was new, and off we went. I started to get a little worried somewhere in the 2nd or 3rd pull, when my heals weren't restoring as much HP as I'm used to seeing. We hit the first boss, and the wipes began. After about 5 or 6 wipes -- which I'm pretty sure were primarily my fault -- the tank and summoner (bless their hearts) managed to finish it off alone while the other DPS and I were down. We got to the second boss, and someone said it was much easier than the first...which made me feel even worse when I again got repeatedly destroyed, and eventually ran out of mana. By the time we hit the last boss, I felt so horrible that I tried to volunteer to leave & eat the lockout penalty so they could find someone who was less of a moron. Around 5 wipes later, I ate a blue attack and a violet attack in quick succession, and died while trying to keep myself & the other DPS alive. The tank and summoner were again left to themselves, and proceeded to finish the boss while I watched, cheered, and thanked them profusely.

    So many jumps into the Shifting Sands, so much running to link back up with the group, so much staring in horror at HP bars draining to zero. Ughhhhhhh. Promptly repaired & upgraded my gear & read about 20 strategy guides. I'll get you next time, you nasty sand cave, you.

    Tank's bad:

    A few days later, I jumped into Brayflox in DF because it's one of my favorites, and I had never had a bad experience, despite the horror stories I had read on here. On the first pull, the tank never got aggro and I had to resort to popping Medicas to keep the group alive. After round 1, I decided to just skip trying to cure normally, and started to preemptively shoot off a cure II as the 2nd pull started (bad bad bad). While the timer is going, the tank takes 2 hits (one from each monster) and promptly dies. One DPS quits, and the other goes down with me shortly after the tank. Tank thankfully quits after that, and the remaining DPS and I bailed shortly after. Queued up again 15 minutes later & had a perfect trip (I still <3 you Brayflox).

    DPS's bad:

    Trusty DR pulled up the "More than a Feeler" guildhest. The 2 DPS (who I suspect were new) decided to ignore the advice of the wise NPC dude AND the advice of the tank & myself, and solely targeted the boss while completely ignoring the bubbles. I started to try to DPS as many of the bubbles as possible while healing, but they all started to pop, and it all went to hell in a handbasket. After I went down twice in a spam of Esuna with 10+ poisons stacked on me, I decided to quit -- only time I've ever been the first to bail on a duty. Got the same hest the next day, and it was so easy that the tank said "so booooring" 3/4 of the way through.

    Despite the horror stories, I have to say I love healing so far -- dancing the line between exercising restraint and going all-out is really a blast!
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  10. #680
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    Lessa Deruatha
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    Hyperion
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    Arcanist Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by TheFluffyCat View Post
    Trusty DR pulled up the "More than a Feeler" guildhest. The 2 DPS (who I suspect were new) decided to ignore the advice of the wise NPC dude AND the advice of the tank & myself, and solely targeted the boss while completely ignoring the bubbles. I started to try to DPS as many of the bubbles as possible while healing, but they all started to pop, and it all went to hell in a handbasket. After I went down twice in a spam of Esuna with 10+ poisons stacked on me, I decided to quit -- only time I've ever been the first to bail on a duty. Got the same hest the next day, and it was so easy that the tank said "so booooring" 3/4 of the way through.
    I absolutely hate that guildhest, precisely because no one ever follows directions and everyone just decides to burn the boss, which inevitably turns out horribly. My last attempt resulted in a number of wipes before I ended up kiting the adds (using swiftcast + cure II or regen as needed, I don't remember which) while everyone else focused the boss down. That was so much easier, and what I will be doing in the future if the situation presents itself.
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