sch has low heals? we mitigate damage

[Kitru]

SCH's have a ridiculous amount of invisible power rolled up in their kit that it's difficult to appreciate it until you start using it often.

This is one of the biggest problems with a vast majority of SCHs. I like to them that they play SCH as if it were WHM (saving Aetherflow for mp regen and only using the stacks and CDs when they absolutely have to, casting Physick instead of Adloq when a target is low on hp because it restores more hp, keeping everyone topped off constantly) which they just shouldn't be.

A SCH should be only be throwing Physick when the target needs a heal, already has Galvanize, and you're out of stacks you can spend on Lustrate (sometimes you have to keep them in reserve for Sacred Soil or tank burst Lustrates for specific mechanics). She should be using Rouse and Fey Illumination as much as possible and letting her pet top people off instead of trying to do it herself all the time. She should be precasting shield spells and using Sacred Soil/Fey Covenant to prevent the group from taking damage rather than waiting for it to happen and healing reactively (that's what Whispering Dawn is for). She should be using her Aetherflow stacks on a regular basis, making sure that she uses 3 every minute so that Aetherflow isn't wasted, sitting there when it's off CD.

SCH is very much so a class about using it or losing it, and, if you hold stuff in reserve like people do with WHM (for good reason), you're going to lose it.

[AldoVonAlexandros]

Actually from that I can see a few bad habits you should try correcting; you're way way too conservative with Lustrates....
Lastly like Dante said use your Fairy CD's more often, 60secs isn't long at all and it is pretty darn good.

thanks, thats really helpfull, ty all for your replys, this will improve my gameplay, also i noticed that i dont use some skills because i not paying attention to the CD, so Im going to put those skills on hot bars to watch the cd, thank u all, i love u comunnity =)

[Menae]

This is one of the biggest problems with a vast majority of SCHs. I like to them that they play SCH as if it were WHM (saving Aetherflow for mp regen and only using the stacks and CDs when they absolutely have to, casting Physick instead of Adloq when a target is low on hp because it restores more hp, keeping everyone topped off constantly) which they just shouldn't be.

A SCH should be only be throwing Physick when the target needs a heal, already has Galvanize, and you're out of stacks you can spend on Lustrate (sometimes you have to keep them in reserve for Sacred Soil or tank burst Lustrates for specific mechanics). She should be using Rouse and Fey Illumination as much as possible and letting her pet top people off instead of trying to do it herself all the time. She should be precasting shield spells and using Sacred Soil/Fey Covenant to prevent the group from taking damage rather than waiting for it to happen and healing reactively (that's what Whispering Dawn is for). She should be using her Aetherflow stacks on a regular basis, making sure that she uses 3 every minute so that Aetherflow isn't wasted, sitting there when it's off CD.

SCH is very much so a class about using it or losing it, and, if you hold stuff in reserve like people do with WHM (for good reason), you're going to lose it.

Pretty much this. Scholars are almost like a DPS in that they are best played by maximizing throughput, in a sense. By that I mean that unless a fight mechanic demands more than three Aetherflow charges in very short succession, you are best served by using them up and getting Aetherflow back on cooldown. Every 20 seconds you leave Aetherflow available but unused is a Lustrate or a Sacred Soil or even Energy Drain thrown away. Every 60 (cumulative) seconds you leave Aetherflow unused is hurting your mp regeneration to the point where you'd actually be better off as a WHM using Shroud for two minutes.

Even WHM should try and use cooldowns regularly, but Divine Seal aside, they are longer cooldowns and holding them for a few seconds doesn't really affect the number of uses you get over a fight. For SCH it is ESSENTIAL to playing the class well - two of your biggest advantages over WHM are Lustrate and Aetherflow's MP regen, and by leaving Aetherflow unused you are losing a lot of both.

[Euphe]

I used to play WHM a lot and you can definitely tell the difference between the two jobs. I did not switch to SCH out of lack of respect for WHM. I switched because SCH better fits my play style. Without a doubt my heals are "lower" to a WHM's BUT healing through damage isn't the point behind SCH at all. It's all about mitigation. So should you leave your FC because they are comparing a completely differently structured class? No; you should at least inform them of the difference. If they don't understand tell them to read in the forums. There's plenty of SCH vs. WHM comparison threads out there. I had a similar problem in my FC but with a SMN who got "out-parsed" by our BLM. It's all about the different mechanics and does not mean that either is better or worse because this game is decently balanced and each job fits into a specific role in any given group. One of my favorite things to do with my SCH is to couple my heals with my fairy's. Try "macro'ing" your physick with your fairy's embrace:

/ac "Physick" <t>
/pac "Embrace" <t>

The benefits of doing this are great in terms of healing. It will provide you with a better chance to crit since it's two separate spells going off and there is no need for a /wait <time> since your fairy is a separate character. I also noticed that when things get bad I don't need to rely so much on Lustrate unless it's a severe situation that completely warrants it (this frees up more charges to drop Sacred Soils which helps to mitigate even more damage in the end). It's also practically on point with a WHM's Cure II but with half the mana cost. Bottom line (which has been previously stated repeatedly in this thread) if everyone is being kept alive then who cares who is getting top heals? We cannot be rated like dps and that's why in my FC we don't run healing parsers at all. I'm trying not to compare the jobs because if I didn't have my WHM friend running with me in my raid group I'd have a rough time for sure, so consequently I more or less need my WHM bud.

[AldoVonAlexandros]

Try "macro'ing" your physick with your fairy's embrace:

/ac "Physick" <t>
/pac "Embrace" <t>

ty, watch my gameplay, you'll see that my skills are all macroed =)

[DosonTheGreat]

What are you mitigating? You can just spam physick most of the time unless you're doing coil or something. Scholars should have really high HPS on mostly single target healing fights.

[Manuka]

What are you mitigating? You can just spam physick most of the time unless you're doing coil or something.

Any incoming damage, really. Sure you could spam physick most of the time as it is the best Hp per MP spell we got, but it's the most inefficient time-wise which is a big risk as a SCH. Look at it like this, all content in this game is scripted around the GCD such that; tank gets hit, you physick, then he gets hit again soon afterwards ad nauseum. Now in a perfect world all this damage should be relegated to the tank but mechanics and mistakes happen, so what should you do since our most potent heals are CD and RNG bound? You buy your team more time. When you apply Galvanize you aren't just blocking damage you're saving a GCD that would've been spent on a physick, putting you ahead of the script to do other stuff with. This is why WHM/SCH are so potent together; WHM's got the raw power but need time to use it an have it stick while SCH's lack the power-on-demand but excel in stalling through shields and debuffs. You aren't buying time by spamming physicks, and depending on the situation are dropping much of the healing onto your partner unknowingly.

[ariaandkia]

Any incoming damage, really. Sure you could spam physick most of the time as it is the best Hp per MP spell we got, but it's the most inefficient time-wise which is a big risk as a SCH. Look at it like this, all content in this game is scripted around the GCD such that; tank gets hit, you physick, then he gets hit again soon afterwards ad nauseum. Now in a perfect world all this damage should be relegated to the tank but mechanics and mistakes happen, so what should you do since our most potent heals are CD and RNG bound? You buy your team more time. When you apply Galvanize you aren't just blocking damage you're saving a GCD that would've been spent on a physick, putting you ahead of the script to do other stuff with. This is why WHM/SCH are so potent together; WHM's got the raw power but need time to use it an have it stick while SCH's lack the power-on-demand but excel in stalling through shields and debuffs. You aren't buying time by spamming physicks, and depending on the situation are dropping much of the healing onto your partner unknowingly.

Funny thing, as someone who has been playing WHM for a while (I'm working on my SCH now), I've found that the few SCH I meet tend to not really use their abilities and blame the WHM when things go wrong.

Example: We are in T4 and this one SCH is sitting on 2-3 stacks of aetherflow for most of the fight. No SS, no lustrate. They pretty much only used physick to heal. Almost no gal buff. On the other hand, I'm spamming Medica II, Medica (rarely-I mainly was using it when there were a bunch of people hurt), Cure II, Regen, Cure III, Swiftcast, Divine Seal, etc. to try to keep the party alive. Obviously, I die because I'm doing so much of the healing that I'm pulling aggro everywhere since I'm the one stuck healing the party outside of the few Selene Embraces that get thrown around here and there.

Well, since the party is no longer getting healed, suddenly everyone starts dying rapidly. SCH blames me for "using too much Medica" I'm like: I used medica once during the fight to heal everyone who was low on health before the phase transition. And I only used Medica II to keep the regen buff active (except for when there was going to be transition-so that I wouldn't aggro everything since the tanks we having trouble holding aggro against even a single basic Cure (I was timing them to fall off about 1-2 seconds before the following wave)).

And of course, the tanks blame me as well saying that I wasn't healing enough. These were tanks that couldn't hold aggro during the second phase when I used cure to keep them from dying. Just one cure drew aggro. This was a SCH that wasn't using their aetherflow stacks and that wasn't using their mitigation heals.

And unfortunately, that kind of sch is what I see most of the time. Most don't straight out point out specific things, but a large number point the blame at me when things go wrong.

When I play a SCH, I drop SS quite liberally. I have no worries about my MP-I almost never run out except in specific situations. (I ended up running out for two to three seconds during a lv 44? dungeon earlier when the tank ended up pulling half the cavern after the first boss by accident (glitch? Tank got knocked back by a Nix and suddenly pulled aggro from across the room) and I ended up having to blast all my CDs and abilities to try to keep the party alive-party expected to wipe).

If the tank has a large pull? Throw down a SS to about where the tank will most likely stop. Party is about to take a big hit? Throw down a SS to cover the party and a Succor, maybe even swiftcast a succor. I'm about to take a big hit and I can't afford to die? Throw down a SS on myself and then heal+buff (considering where I am during combat, it usually covers at least the tank as well).

And with succors/adloquium, I apply them fairly liberally as well. Party is about to get hit with debuff attack? Succor. Tank about to get hit with a debuff attack? Adlo. Party is about to take more damage than they have HP? Succor+SS or Fey illumination+SS chain to Whispering Dawn+(Swiftcast) Succor and Fey Covenant

Tank is about to get hit with a really hard attack? Swiftcast Stoneskin + Fey Illumination + SS + Whispering Dawn + Adloquium + Fey Covenant + Virus + Eye for an Eye (in that order with pet abilities sort of on the side).

Why do I burn a Succor/Adlo when the party's hp is probably full? For a few reasons:
1) Succor takes less time to cast than to Leech the debuffs off EVERY party member. Especially with skills such as bad breath that give multiple debuffs. Adlo can also take less time than several Leeches. (During certain attacks, if no damage is dealt to HP, the debuff is not applied).
2) Makes sure that the party has more survivability against a strong hit.
3) Reduces that aggro that I take.
4) Breathing room-prevented damage can mean that I have more time to do other stuff that might be just as important such as healing

[DosonTheGreat]

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Only time you should you adloquium is if you know someone else is going to be taking damage so you can heal someone else for a second or before a big hit. If anyone takes unexpected damage you can just lustrate or embrace them. Few encounters in this game really require anything other than physick/embrace spam. Scholars are very fast healers if you know how to use all the resources. One fight you can use adloquium almost exclusively is on phase 1 in t9 cause you get all your MP back on the golem phase anyway.

[AldoVonAlexandros]

Everyone has different opinions and what I see here is that some dont mitigate damage and some just heal, what I do now is

I do my normal mitigation gameplay, succor and fey covenant on magic aoe adlo to those recieving damage like a whm with agro, when i use adlo eos uses embrace on that so i dont have to heal it at all, adlo to tanks even if they are toped like before death sentence and then lustrate after ds and i use eye for an eye on big pulls like on t5 start, speed runs etc.

Sacred soil on big aoe attacks and now i use more often my lustrates, not just on emergency and more stuff

Also i dps because, well i like to dps haha, cant put everything i do on words now cause im on my phone but do not spam physick, use adlo before big attacks on the tank, succor too, some times people live trough big aoe attacks with 200 hp and thats thanks to succor, theres a lot i can say, but i belive now that my gameplay is flawless, well, i human and i make some mistakes too, ty all