Yoshi-P confirms Ninja/Thief and gun-using class?

[BrielleBeaudonet]

Folks on Reddit were watching the NicoNico event, covered by media here:

http://www.psu.com/a023154/New-Jobs-...er-PvP-details

Thought it best to post in DPS roles, but lots of speculation that one of these two new classes could be the Support role.

Thoughts? Is the gun-wielding class a Chemist? Blue / Red Mage? Gunner? What about the daggers?

[chococo]

Hmmm gun using job not what ppl expect. So not muskateer?

[NintenPyjak64]

Musketeer is confirmed as the base class. We already had the guild since 1.0

[OmegaNovaios]

Thoughts? Is the gun-wielding class a Chemist? Blue / Red Mage? Gunner? What about the daggers?

Hmmm gun using job not what ppl expect. So not muskateer?

www.psu.com:
"The guns, meanwhile, could be a reference to the Chemist, a Final Fantasy Tactics class that used guns to deal elemental damage. It could also be a modified Gunner, as seen in Final Fantasy X-2. Either way, we may get some surprises: Yoshida apparently said that the gun class isn't what people are expecting it to be. It may materialize as the first "Support" role, a promised addition that will co-exist with traditional Tank, Healer, and DPS roles."

I really think the class and job stemming from this will still be what people expected which are Musketeer and Corsair respectively. It may not behave the way "most" people expect but I believe the names won't be a surprise at all.

In FFXI Corsair did use both physical ranged DPS (guns) and magical ranged DPS (elemental infused playing cards which were thrown). Corsair was also a very heavy support role, rolling dice for buffs taking a gamble on how effective the buffs would be. Now if FFXIV follows a similar path for Corsair then it won't be a surprise for the job itself but the class may not perform how you would expect with that particular build since it will have to be that way to setup for Corsair as 5-6 job actions are to few to implement EVERYTHING.

However, this isn't FFXI so I can't guarantee it will be exactly that and it may not even be something similar (IE Bard using a bow with LIMITED support and Summoner being more like a Warlock from WoW w/o Demon Form). If it does follow this path it may simply be an alternative/compliment to BRD or it may actually be a true support job.

Either way I doubt it will fill a "hybrid" role more suited for jobs like RDM, BLU, or DNC. You could argue that support + DPS is a hybrid but support isn't 100% necessary for the average party to succeed any given battle (thus far).

[Akirakogami]

i'm amped for gun class actually. popping caps in fools.

[rex1976]

if i'm not misremembering thf was originally intended as a gun wielding class ffxi. so maybe musketeer/thf will be the new class? just a shot in the dark. was ninja officially mentioned or is it just assumed?

[rex1976]

ninja was also gun using ffxi. maybe they will split 1 tank 1 dps similar to arcanist splitting into healer/dps.

[Kitru]

so maybe musketeer/thf will be the new class? just a shot in the dark. was ninja officially mentioned or is it just assumed?

Have you even completed the story from 2.2? Both Yugiri and Thancred dual wield daggers and are basically stated to be the introduction to THF (via Thancred and his buddies in Limsa) and NIN (via Yugiri). On top of this, firearms have never been anything approaching iconic weapons of either THF or NIN. It's basically guaranteed that the gun using class will be completely different from THF/NIN, even more so since Yoshi has been referring to them separately (and has always referred to them separately, even before saying that they would both be coming).

maybe they will split 1 tank 1 dps similar to arcanist splitting into healer/dps.

Yoshi has already stated that the very idea of NIN being a tank is completely and totally ludicrous. Anyone that knows the history of FFXI knows that the only reason that NIN was a tank was because the devs made a major design blunder by providing them with a mitigation ability that was *way* too strong and didn't notice their blunder until NIN was so entrenched as a tank within the metagame that they couldn't fix it. NIN was never intended to be a tank and has never been anything like a tank in any FF game before or after.

FFXI is anomalous within the series in so very very many ways. I seriously have to wonder why anyone brings it up as if it were supposed to be evidence of any kind, especially when it's directly contradictory of the entire rest of the series.

[Kirinichibon]

Yoshi has already stated that the very idea of NIN being a tank is completely and totally ludicrous. Anyone that knows the history of FFXI knows that the only reason that NIN was a tank was because the devs made a major design blunder by providing them with a mitigation ability that was *way* too strong and didn't notice their blunder until NIN was so entrenched as a tank within the metagame that they couldn't fix it. NIN was never intended to be a tank and has never been anything like a tank in any FF game before or after.

This is one big collusion of misquotes getting misquoted...
I believe the xiv related quote was that *blink* tanking wouldn't be viable in ffxivarr.
And in xi, the devs didn't anticipate ninja being so popular as a tank. That game was much more of a sandbox environment than anything these days. Ninja gear was packed with enmity and evasion...ninja had barely the second highest evasion in the game and utsusemi...what else were they supposed to do other than absorb some hits? XI devs did strange things compared to modern mmo devs.

I miss ffxi ninja, but I don't care if ninja is tank or dps in this game. I would really like to have A new tank - any new tank.

[OmegaNovaios]

Yoshi has already stated that the very idea of NIN being a tank is completely and totally ludicrous. Anyone that knows the history of FFXI knows that the only reason that NIN was a tank was because the devs made a major design blunder by providing them with a mitigation ability that was *way* too strong and didn't notice their blunder until NIN was so entrenched as a tank within the metagame that they couldn't fix it. NIN was never intended to be a tank and has never been anything like a tank in any FF game before or after.

Not saying that NIN should be a tank in FFXIV, however I would like to see some type of evasion/blink tank in FFXIV at some point. But for anyone (including SE) to say that NIN tank in FFXI was not only a mistake but should never have happened is ludicrous in itself. Without NIN tank there would have been only one socially acceptable tank (PLD) out of 20+ jobs (perhaps 15+ at the time of NIN release) and merely another DPS job added to the lineup of at least 9 other DPS jobs. So as you can see NIN helped to balance that ratio as opposed to further hindering it. I don't know what SE's priority or vision was for FFXI at that time but NIN tank was not a bad thing to happen for THAT game.

On a side note however, NIN was very much a hybrid in FFXI. Being able to tank OR DPS, and yet people complain about having more options rather than having less options. If the community forces you to play only as tank then that isn't a developer issue, it's a community issue. And trust me that happens everywhere inside and outside of any social aspect of life itself and not just gaming. The more a developer builds against "sandboxing" (or in layman's terms builds a game so that the CONSUMER can't do anything creative themselves nor play in a way that's not exactly the same as 99% of other players) the more BORING, REPETITIVE, LACKLUSTER, UNORIGINAL, being forced to play an EXACT way (not fun at all IMO), etc., etc. that game will be.