Vote Kick - HUGE Flaw. Needs an instant fix.

[Akujin]

Hmm. So the GMs won't actually do anything? Well, that sets an awesome precedent for future vote kick abuse. Please look forward to it.

[Gnova]

Let's get one thing straight if a piece of gear states all classes and is equipped by a different class you deem unworthy is no way against the game rules and doesn't call for a kick. And if you do kick someone for said reason you are the one abusing the system.

What a ridiculous statement.
If someone walks into a instance wearing crafting gear mixed in with their tank gear that would be deemed okay and not THEM abusing the system?
If someone is undergeared and is equipped with the best equipment they can slot I would say kicking them is abuse.
If they are asking people to carry them through a zone so that they can SB gear then they are abusing the system.

[Macka]

What a ridiculous statement.
If someone walks into a instance wearing crafting gear mixed in with their tank gear that would be deemed okay and not THEM abusing the system?
If someone is undergeared and is equipped with the best equipment they can slot I would say kicking them is abuse.
If they are asking people to carry them through a zone so that they can SB gear then they are abusing the system.

Do the gear say crafting only? No. Did the person meet ilevel requirements? Yes. Did the person ask to be carried? No. When you vote to kick someone is there choice for wearing the wrong gear? No. So again if you kick someone for wearing "crafting" gear you are in fact abusing the vote kick function of this game. No matter how you try to twist it.

[Elim]

By the way, just because he was in the instance doesn't mean the gear he was SBing met the minimum requirements. Lots of people use to que for CT in their regular gear, then once they got in switched to SBing gear.

Using CT to SB gear use to be a huge problem when it was "the" dungeon for tome grinding. I never ended up kicking anyone for it, but I saw LOTS of people kick them. I can't say that I was against them getting kicked either, since the majority of them purposely died or got locked out of bosses in order to do the least amount of work as possible. Most of them were simply leeches looking to get carried for tomes and gil.

[Macka]

By the way, just because he was in the instance doesn't mean the gear he was SBing met the minimum requirements. Lots of people use to que for CT in their regular gear, then once they got in switched to SBing gear.

Using CT to SB gear use to be a huge problem when it was "the" dungeon for tome grinding. I never ended up kicking anyone for it, but I saw LOTS of people kick them. I can't say that I was against them getting kicked either, since the majority of them purposely died or got locked out of bosses in order to do the least amount of work as possible. Most of them were simply leeches looking to get carried for tomes and gil.

We are talking about 2 different things. This person eas moving and attacking and got kicked because of their gear.

[Sylve]

if the bosses are are going down, and the guy isn't getting splatted ... What the crap is the problem?

Seriously, It looks entirely to me like the guy who got kicked was doing the right thing, and the one who kicked him just wanted the fastest possible run and didn't want to be "held back" by even a few seconds.

Spirit Binding is a thing in the game. He was utilizing a mechanic of the game in a normal way. He did nothing wrong, he only offended the one who kicked him by not wearing min/max best gear for an ilvl 55 raid. A raid which is stupidly easy.

And finally, If you take a person wearing ilvl 55 gear in every slot, and a person with missing gear but still at an average i55, Their primary stats will be identical.

[TeganLaron]

Again, ilvl 55 is all you need to be. There is no rule in this game that says you must gear for x stat.

Although you are technically right, it definitely goes against the spirit of the game. For some reason people seem to think anything goes when they join an instance via DF. If you joined a Leviathan Extreme group on Party Finder to find someone in totally class inappropriate gear who gave the excuse "just spiritbinding yo!" Would you applaud their moxy also? Or would you leave the instance immediately and boot the freeloader once they refused to switch gear?

[Ooshima]

Hmm. So the GMs won't actually do anything? Well, that sets an awesome precedent for future vote kick abuse. Please look forward to it.

GM does anything?

Filed a GM call while standing beside a bot, nothing happens.
Filed a GM call due to lost loot in coil, replies can't do anything and to file bug report so that they can monitor from there and assist. Didn't even bother to acknowledge the bug report (and tons of reports left rotting in bug forums too).

What do they really do other than sending template replies to your GM calls?

[Estellios]

Although you are technically right, it definitely goes against the spirit of the game. For some reason people seem to think anything goes when they join an instance via DF. If you joined a Leviathan Extreme group on Party Finder to find someone in totally class inappropriate gear who gave the excuse "just spiritbinding yo!" Would you applaud their moxy also? Or would you leave the instance immediately and boot the freeloader once they refused to switch gear?

The difference is that CT is stupid easy and can be done in the crafted gear. for everything except for tanks a large portion of your performance is based on your weapon which the person you quoted certainly is more than well off as they have allagan/animus.

Also to above poster: GMs have responded to my harassment calls several times so chances are they don't respond to your stuff immediately because it takes a lot more investigating to prove legitimacy. For harassment usually they just have to peek at chat logs.

[Barboron]

What a ridiculous statement.
If someone walks into a instance wearing crafting gear mixed in with their tank gear that would be deemed okay and not THEM abusing the system?
If someone is undergeared and is equipped with the best equipment they can slot I would say kicking them is abuse.
If they are asking people to carry them through a zone so that they can SB gear then they are abusing the system.

Before the OP decided to edit his post he had admitted to using crafting rings, which is what I was doing. My gear, other than that consisted heavily of tanking and DPS gear. I didn't ask to be carried, I kept up with DPS and OTing should it have called for it. Again, I don't know why people seem to be udner the conception that people spiritbinding will want to progress any less, if I don't get kills, I don't get my % up.

By the way, just because he was in the instance doesn't mean the gear he was SBing met the minimum requirements. Lots of people use to que for CT in their regular gear, then once they got in switched to SBing gear.

Using CT to SB gear use to be a huge problem when it was "the" dungeon for tome grinding. I never ended up kicking anyone for it, but I saw LOTS of people kick them. I can't say that I was against them getting kicked either, since the majority of them purposely died or got locked out of bosses in order to do the least amount of work as possible. Most of them were simply leeches looking to get carried for tomes and gil.

I mentiopned previously, everything I had equipped during the CT run is what I had equipped when I pressed join on the DF. For those interested, my ilvl was 62. Mainly because I think my weapon brought it up, the wave axe or tidal wave sword depending on which tank I choose. This, again was to keep up my DPS.

Although you are technically right, it definitely goes against the spirit of the game. For some reason people seem to think anything goes when they join an instance via DF. If you joined a Leviathan Extreme group on Party Finder to find someone in totally class inappropriate gear who gave the excuse "just spiritbinding yo!" Would you applaud their moxy also? Or would you leave the instance immediately and boot the freeloader once they refused to switch gear?

I previously replied to OP on this after he complained about having to MT everything. I did have my end game gear with me, bringing me to i92 WAR or i93 PLD. I had faith that he could tank, or that someone else could. Don't get me wrong though, I didn't just sit around and auto-attack as OP claimed. I mainly went in as WAR so I could keep up my DPS and not be a complete burden.

Finally, I will use the argument to say that even if I was not at my best because of my gear, I am not the only person holding someone back in CT. First room, still have people positioning mobs the wrong way. Room two, people don't tend to stun/silence the eyes and Diras. First boss, people still over DPS the dragon. Room 4, with the platforms, that's actually going okay. Second boss was also. Third boss, people still don't take down the bombs in time. All of which, even with my lower level gear, still did all this. I killed what needed to be killed because I knew what had to be done and still tried my best with what I had. Unfortunately, I am not going to have the DPS or a BRD, DRG, or a MNK so killing those bombs was just out of the question for me alone. I went in knowing the mechanics. Should none of the other tanks be able to hold aggro, remain alive, or just flat out not be able to tank for some reason, I would have been more than happy to step in, as I previously stated.