Best Gear in Coil needs to end

[blowfin]

I guess you forgot when you said this. What a joke. You can already get Soldiery gear so why complain unless you wanted it to be i110? Yet you say you want the best gear to be from coil? Thanks for pointing this inconsistency out. If you hadn't brought it up I wouldn't have noticed.
What next? lol Are you going to say "Well I didn't mean i wanted ALL the best gear to be in coil" or that you meant you wanted more than one i100 gear set since there are 2 i110 gears sets? Yeah keep trying to fill the holes in your poor arguments. I'm better at arguing for your positions than you are. lol You're so predictable bro.

Yeah I said explicitly that having the two separate streams behind coil is bad design, not that I wanted the gear to be available outside of coil (it probably will be with 2.3 anyway). How did you interpret that so badly? Is English your first language? I also said outright that I'm quite happy for the best gear to come from coil. You quoted that part yourself and now you're trying to backtrack. Your reading and comprehension skills are deplorable and frankly you're doing a terrible job at trying to save face. Maybe just consign yourself to the fact that you wasted 15 posts arguing with me on a point that you 100% made the wrong assumption about. Otherwise I'm just going to keep tearing you to shreds.

Again, nowhere in this thread have I argued that the best gear shouldn't come from coil. No amount of creative writing from you is going to change that.

Have a nice day.

[Giantbane]

What's your point anyway? Are you arguing that people who don't do coil should get the gear?

here was what I originally responded to:

I just don't really get why these people want this gear, other than because they're simply jealous people beating turns in Second Coil have a higher illv than them. There is no other content in the game which requires you to be in i110-115 gear. In all honesty you don't even need i100 gear to beat the new EX Primals, but that's still available. Other than that what is there you could possible need to be that overgeared for?

to which I replied

How much i110 gear did blue gartr need to beat coil?

There is no content in the game which requires you to be in i110-115 gear. So why does anyone want this gear?

which is where you jumped in

Anyhow ... since we've already established that:

the argument that you need this gear to do coil (especially all 12-13 slots worth of it) would be wrong. You just need the weapons, the rest just makes it easier. Kind of like wearing i110 gear for primals or twintana or whatever makes that easier too.

which brings us back to my original post, why does anybody want this stuff? Which you highlight quite well

Well people would rather not lose main stat points. When i beat turn 9 I had less mind than healers that had never been in coil even though i had 3 pieces of i110 gear.

It's apparently not enough that you cleared all the content. You want to feel more powerful while doing it. Which I'm guessing is what the vast majority of people really want in getting better gear. It's not about clearing new and harder content, it's about feeling more powerful while doing it. They don't just want to beat WP or Titan HM or EX or whatever, they want to do it faster and easier. Makes them feel special. It's what they pay for.

Personally? I think it would be best to release the i110 stuff to the general public in 2.3 by adding sands and oils to CT. Gives coil raiders some exclusivity to this gear for a while, but lets everyone have access eventually. This gives non-raiders a chance to catch up to the raiders before 2.4 drops, and it ensures that CT remains relevant after the release of 2.4.

On a separate note, I also think the coil loot tables are getting pretty crowded, and I don't believe that's good even for the raiders doing coil. The more loot that's on each boss, the more you're subject to the RNG gods as to what you actually get. Volatile RNG and a lockout seems like a bad combination to me.

[SarcasmMisser]

There are between 8-9 pieces of loot in each chest, not counting the upgrade materials which are guaranteed drops and drop as well as high allagan loot. This is the same as first coil, not crowded at all. It's actually better for rng this time since if someone has bad luck with loot drops you can just pass them the sands/oil.

Edit: not to mention that melee share accessories now, which means that the loot is actually less crowded now than in first coil.

[sylent09]

But either way, there is TWO sets of ilvl110 armor. Both should not be from coil.

[DosonTheGreat]

Yeah I said explicitly that having the two separate streams behind coil is bad design, not that I wanted the gear to be available outside of coil (it probably will be with 2.3 anyway). How did you interpret that so badly? Is English your first language? I also said outright that I'm quite happy for the best gear to come from coil. You quoted that part yourself and now you're trying to backtrack. Your reading and comprehension skills are deplorable and frankly you're doing a terrible job at trying to save face. Maybe just consign yourself to the fact that you wasted 15 posts arguing with me on a point that you 100% made the wrong assumption about. Otherwise I'm just going to keep tearing you to shreds. LOL

Again, nowhere in this thread have I argued that the best gear shouldn't come from coil. No amount of creative writing from you is going to change that.

Have a nice day.

It's not bad design because the only way that could be changed is if they made another raid to put the i110 gear in(which i would be ok with), but you've already said you don't like dealing with raid groups and doing coil and all that so that would be no good for you. You say you think the i110 gear should only be obtainable in coil(the hardest raid) but then you say that it's bad design. Do you like games with bad design or do you just like contradicting yourself? It just seems to me like you were complaining about it being the only method of obtaining the best gear with coil being the only hardcore raid. Would you prefer the sol gear not be upgradable through coil so skilled players can have less loot and less skilled players can feel better about themselves? Let's just hand people sands and oil. Oh, I forgot you're apparently in favor of the best gear being from coil. That can't be what you want. Maybe you just like complaining and arguing and making excuses for why you can't clear content.

You know, there are some English classes you can take that can help you properly communicate because you're pretty bad at it. No offense.
I don't need to save face. You're the only person you've been able to convince that you're arguments aren't terrible. Well, you and anyone on your level. You're not on mine buddy. Your attempts to insult me only serve to thinly veil your poor arguments. You've been the one attempting to save face.
I'm always right. I win.

Have a nice day.

[DosonTheGreat]

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Well they waited till 2.2 to get all the coil1 stuff, they should wait till 2.4 to get the coil 2 stuff. Doesn't matter that you don't need it for any content in the game. The coil raiders earned that gear and I think It should be locked to coil until the next one is added.
No reason for them to catch up anyway. They can continue to enjoy all the old content that people like me have been doing for months while they wait for the newer content to be nerfed like the old stuff was. Let them be handed the gear when hardcore raiders have new stuff to earn like before.

[stephenjd3]

I agree with DosonTheGreat 100%....

Gear needs to be earned, and right now i110 is earned in 2nd coil....Let casual raiders get it with the next big coil patch in 2.4

[Alise]

I wonder can't people just PF for it like they do in JP server? If anybody play in JP server here, then you would see that majority are not in static. They simply finding the PF that match them. They split PF into "first try" "beginner practice", "phase 2 practice", "phase 3 practice" ...", last phase practice", "try to win", "only people that win before".

As you can see there, everybody go join the PT that match the same progress as what he/she is. Thus, they don't even need static. Whenever they wanna do coil, they wait until peak time, check out PT that match their progress or make own PF for it. If you already win it once, you don't need to repeat training again by making PT requirement as "only people that win before", you will gather only people who already won it before. (they will check achievement), and usually it is win win.

Surely that static may make it little easier. But for those who care freedom, PF is generally much better choice for them. This is why majority are PF rather than static. Can't NA servers side does the same? A lot of people here PF and already win T9, depend on how often he/she PF, training, and step up the requirement. Code of honor play big role here, because community kidda be strict and JP has their blacklist to those who cheat or lie. If you do not have clear achievement before, joining win party only will make you whole server bad name.

[Gormogon]

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It wont work because of the cultural difference and the difficulty raid environments possess does little to encourage such behavior.

You have a better chance of people being jerks due to the competitive nature and elitism end-game raiding brings out in the american culture.

You have a way better time seeing -> "ilvl 100 required. Fail and you'll be kicked." than what you're suggesting. I wish I was simply being cynical but this elitist mentality has existed for years and it only serves to demotivate people from even trying and just stick to friend only groups.

[jars]

one FC being able to do t6-9 in mostly ilevel 90 gear(and they still had some 100-110 gear, don't deny it) doesn't mean everyone can do that. the same way some people can do t5 without echo doesn't mean everyone can do it without the echo.

there's also the fact that the 110-115 gear is for the next raid tier.