The Atma Stigma

[SongJoohee]

Here's the problem, and it's very well known, it's RNG, I can't stress how that's the problem enough, and not the time investment.

You main argument seems to be comparing it to proper content in the game, here's the main difference:

Every time we failed at Titan EX, it's because we made a mistake.
Every time we failed at Turn 6, it's because we made a mistake.
Every time we failed at Turn 7, it's because we made a mistake.
Every time we failed at Turn 8, it's because we made a mistake.
Every time we fail at Turn 9, it's because we make a mistake.

See the pattern? Every time we fail at every other piece of content in the game, it's because of something we have done wrong, the very opposite can be said for Atma.

Every time I fail to get an Atma, it's because RNG.

You can be doing everything right, Zenith equipped, getting Golds, hitting as many FATEs as you can, and if RNG determines it so, you're NOT going to get your Atma.

Most (not all) the people I've seen defending this quest are people who got lucky those who get all the Atmas in a couple of days. I would definitely like to see how their opinions change if they got unlucky, like myself and many friends, those of us who have spent over 24 hours in one zone to get one atma, and then, almost insultingly, you have those who get lucky, and get all 12 Atmas in that same time frame.

I am more than willing to invest hundreds of hours into obtaining my weapon, but it shouldn't be dependent on RNG, taking some players 12 hours, and other players 12 days.

[Mcshiggs]

rabble rabble rabble

If you kill Titan EX, the accessory you wanted didn't drop, so you leave with nothing, is that still because you did something wrong?

You are making it seem if you don't get your atma, then you are failing, you are successful at the fates, it's just that the loot is RNG, just like primals and coil turns. I know you will say something along the lines of, "Well if we clear a coil turn, something drops for the group, so it helps us as a unit." Well that is going off the assumption that everyone runs in static groups, and primals and coil require a group, you can solo your fates. Now let's look at loot from Titan EX, you have a 1/5 chance of the loot you want to drop, and a 1/8 chance that you will get that loot, my math may be off but to me that seems like a 2-3% chance that you will get the loot you are after, and people are saying atma drop rates are around 2%, for me I have about a 5% drop rate, so the atma drop rate is around the same as getting what you want from EX primals. Now of course with the primal loot there are some things you can do up your chances a bit, like going on the job for the loot you are after, setting up you own parties and excluding others after the same loot, that kind of stuff, but again, atma farming has the benefits of not being able to up your drop chances, but the advantage of not needing 7 other people, so it is open to farm anytime you are on regardless of anyone else, it is all on you.

[SorriorDragneel]

If you kill Titan EX, the accessory you wanted didn't drop, so you leave with nothing, is that still because you did something wrong?

Ummm i think the issue isn;t even RNG per se but how BAD the RNG IS. There is RNG and then RNG.

[Logo]

Here's the problem, and it's very well known, it's RNG, I can't stress how that's the problem enough, and not the time investment.

You main argument seems to be comparing it to proper content in the game, here's the main difference:

Every time we failed at Titan EX, it's because we made a mistake.
Every time we failed at Turn 6, it's because we made a mistake.
...(snip)

Every time I fail to get an Atma, it's because RNG.

You can do everything right in Titan EX, Turn 6, Turn 7, Turn 8 and Turn 9 and still not get the loot you wanted.
Because it's "RNG" also. Your odds are better. Because something is going to drop, but its still random.

You are lacking the understanding of how random works and that its a staple of video games.

The Random is the time investment. Since no skill is involved.

If you want more performance based chances at a high level weapons, do coil.

[Duuude007]

Every time we failed at getting a mount or Heart of Crags in Titan EX, it's because RNG.
Every time I failed to win roll the gear I wanted in Turn 6, it's because RNG.
Every time I failed to win roll on Unidentified Allagan Tomestone or Oil of Time in Turn 7, it's because RNG.
Every time I failed to win roll on Sand of Time in Turn 8, it's because RNG.
Every time we fail to get White Raven Armor Fragment in Turn 9, it's because RNG.

Fixed. Bad examples are bad.

[Kabooa]

Fixed. Bad examples are bad.

It really isn't.

Atma is a progression.

Getting a boss down is a process of progression.

One you control. The other you don't.

[Duuude007]

It really isn't.

Getting the Atma is a progression.

Getting a specific boss drop to fall in your lap is a progression.

Neither you fully control.

Now this I can agree with. Fixed again.