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  1. #21
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    Melithea's Avatar
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    Melithea Tinvelle
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    Ultros
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    Conjurer Lv 60
    My primary reservation on soldiery gear is the huge loss of piety going from i90 BiS to full soldiery. It's something like 55 points lost across the entire set. Just when I was getting used to having enough MP, how are they going to make an "upgrade" REDUCE our MP by that much? Basically the only two sure bets on soldiery gear is the ring and the pants, and the pants mostly because high allagan drops late. Some soldiery could even be considered a downgrade until you get it to i110 anyway.
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  2. #22
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    Menae's Avatar
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    Menae Dulanis
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    Conjurer Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Melithea View Post
    Some soldiery could even be considered a downgrade until you get it to i110 anyway.
    In terms of throughput? No. Every single i100 Daystar piece gets you at least 3 Mind over an i90 piece in the same slot, and the chest/legs are +5 each. That more than makes up for losing 12ish determination on the small pieces, and 17 on the big ones.

    In terms of Piety, you'll have to judge for yourself when too much Piety lost is too much, but if I were in full i90 and somebody offered me any single Daystar piece, I'd accept without even looking at which one they were offering. Every single piece is an upgrade; the most you lose on Piety from i90->100 on a single piece is 16 on the myth hat/hands, and even those are solid enough throughput upgrades that I'd take either one.

    Do I recommend full Daystar? No. You'll lose a decent amount of Piety over the set, true, and you need to account for that. But Daystar supplemented with some Turn 6/7 drops is juuuuuust fine. Just like some of the Myth pieces were kinda meh - the jewelry in particular had a lot of crit on it.
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  3. #23
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    drkchmst's Avatar
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    Enan Tiomer
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    Arcanist Lv 50
    You never see anyone talk about the MND curve. When was the last time you got a MND upgrade and noticed your heals got bigger? After about i80 they stopped. Probably earlier. I feel as though once you but the pieces with a piety upgrade with soldiery, there isn't much incentive to keep upgrading healer gear except when it happens to drop. Is it going to make you a better healer? I don't think so. Still I plan to try to get that yagrush. That baby has some sexy numbers on it.
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  4. #24
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    Pikken Moonchild
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    Cerberus
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    Conjurer Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by drkchmst View Post
    You never see anyone talk about the MND curve. When was the last time you got a MND upgrade and noticed your heals got bigger? After about i80 they stopped. Probably earlier.
    There are no diminishing returns on main stats. Test it yourself by casting Cure on yourself like 20 times in one gear configuration, write the numbers down and calculate the average then change your gear to a lower/higher mind total and repeat. Yes, it takes more work than saying "After about i80 they stopped". But on the other hand it is based on real data

    And it is easy to feel like your upgrades don't do anything because each time you upgrade you increase your MND by like 3 or 4. That difference you aren't going to notice. But do the experiment above with say 50 MND difference you will see it very clearly.
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    Last edited by Pikken; 05-13-2014 at 10:03 PM.

  5. #25
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    Evangela Monterossa
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    I don't think this Daystar set really is that great. It decreases a lot of piety. the gears added critical but the accessories lack critical and also have no piety so... this set is all about a little bit more vitality, mind, and determination but will decrease your MP.
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  6. #26
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    Akari Legaia
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    Brynhildr
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    Ninja Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Evangela View Post
    I don't think this Daystar set really is that great. It decreases a lot of piety. the gears added critical but the accessories lack critical and also have no piety so... this set is all about a little bit more vitality, mind, and determination but will decrease your MP.
    It's done this way so SCH and WHM aren't having to fight over the same drops in coil2. I personally didn't mind the hit to piety upgrading my head and gloves but I also made sure I had the soldiery weapon to make up for it. The set as a whole isn't really what you want but can be used if you're extremely unlucky with High Allagan drops.
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  7. #27
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    Sheepy Sheepy
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    Sargatanas
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    Conjurer Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Evangela View Post
    I don't think this Daystar set really is that great. It decreases a lot of piety. the gears added critical but the accessories lack critical and also have no piety so...
    necklace bracelet and ring have piety o.o
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  8. #28
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    Pikken Moonchild
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    The lack of piety isn't that crazy.

    These Daystar/Soldiery items have piety.

    Robe
    Belt
    Pants
    Necklace
    Bracelet
    Ring
    and the weapon

    The following have no piety

    Circlet
    Gloves
    Boots
    Earrings
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  9. #29
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    Febreealle Goldlyonse
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    Gilgamesh
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    Archer Lv 70
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    As a dozen people have said, the main stat upgrades on the soldiery gear alone will make it an upgrade.
    I'd recommend spending your soldiery tomes on any piece that you think you'd wear the longest first
    Healers loots in the second coil are:
    Turn 6 - Gloves, Boots, Earrings
    Turn 7 - Bracelet,Choker,Chest
    Turn 8 - Ring, Belt, Head
    Turn 9 - Pants

    Depending on when you think you'll be at certain points (if ever, I won't assume your interest in second coil) prioritize your upgrades based on how much use you'll get out of it and which ones you'd consider BiS. Or, you can be frugal with your tomes and stay near the 2k cap while waiting to see what patch 2.3 gives us.
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  10. #30
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    Alkimi Asura
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    Ragnarok
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    Thaumaturge Lv 70
    It's pretty much assumed that new CT will drop an alternative i100 set. Perhaps some of these pieces will be more suited to WHMs that aren't yet progressing in second coil. 2.3 is only around 5 weeks away so you could just save your soldiery until then.
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