Vote Kick abuse really needs to end.

[JSevilla]

I have always wondered about this, when the person who wants to watch the CS is watching it, and there is a point where two CS are almost back to back, does speedrun ruin the experience of the person wanting to watch the CS? More specifically, does it skip a CS when this happens.

[Scarletyoshi]

You're all wrong. Learn to be civil to one another and stop forcing people to play like you. If someone joins the party and they are new for god sake try to help them like a decent person. If everyone joined and no one is new then by all means do a speed run and vote out the person who just doesn't want to do it slowly. You ALL need to learn to use some context and make the best decision so that you aren't a complete A-hole to the other players. Treat others as you would want to be treated yourself in their situation, stop being completely selfish when you join a party with 7 other people, and never forget that you were a newbie once too. All of this BS could be completely avoided if people would just stop being dbags.

That is incorrect. You can not vote someone out for not wanting to do a speedrun just as you can't vote them out for coming into the dungeon with the bare minimum gear requirements, not even if the other 7 agree. That is abuse of the vote kick feature and should be reported as such. If people think not conforming to groupthink is "harassment" I suggest not wasting your time and just report them, they can argue the semantics with a GM.

When people want to run dungeons with requirements outside of the default conditions (certain ilvl, assumed familiarity with mechanics, skipping cutscenes, etc.) then they need to use party finder. Simple as that.

[Foo01]

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When people want to run dungeons with requirements outside of the default conditions (certain ilvl, assumed familiarity with mechanics, skipping cutscenes, etc.) then they need to use party finder. Simple as that.

That is absolutely correct. Thank you stating it so clearly and plainly.

People need to quit abusing the duty finder. The duty roulette rewards are there for people to help other players, especially the lower level, and 1st-timers.

[Fynlar]

if 7/8 players in the duty don't want to be held up by someone who is watching CSs, then they can vote to kick.

Then they can risk having action taken against their accounts for it, because that is not an acceptable use of the vote kick.

Not to mention the fact you're still talking nonsense anyway because 7 vets *cannot* be "held up" by 1 person in CM/Prae.

[Foo01]

Then they can risk having action taken against their accounts for it, because that is not an acceptable use of the vote kick.

Not to mention the fact you're still talking nonsense anyway because 7 vets *cannot* be "held up" by 1 person in CM/Prae.

Those 7 jerks all overgeared will usually blow thru every fight and leave the 1st-timer wondering where everyone went and what has even happened. Sometimes, when I am the healer, I tell these people to wait for the 1st-timer, and still they go off and clear everything with just the 6 of them, locking me outside of the boss battles and harassing me with all sorts of BS while I wait for the 1st-timer so they are not stranded wondering what happened.

[Tiggy]

Those 7 jerks all overgeared will usually blow thru every fight and leave the 1st-timer wondering where everyone went and what has even happened. Sometimes, when I am the healer, I tell these people to wait for the 1st-timer, and still they go off and clear everything with just the 6 of them, locking me outside of the boss battles and harassing me with all sorts of BS.

What about when it's 8 Pros and only one person doesn't want to run it faster just because reasons. The entire reasoning for not booting him would be what? Roulette + reasons? If no one is new to the dungeon at all then the first timer excuse falls very very flat.

[Foo01]

What about when it's 8 Pros and only one person doesn't want to run it faster just because reasons. The entire reasoning for not booting him would be what? Roulette + reasons? If no one is new to the dungeon at all then the first timer excuse falls very very flat.

8 Pros having a hissy fit with each other was not the topic of this thread. Please read what the OP wrote. It is about 1st-timers being picked on and abused. That is what is not right.

[SDaemon]

Incorrect; My reasons for going in there are irrelevant. if 7/8 players in the duty don't want to be held up by someone who is watching CSs, then they can vote to kick. It's as simple as that. Nobody is more important than anybody else in this game that we play, therefor majority rules.

Sorry, your concept of vote kick worthy offenses can and will get you reported. Your way of thinking is flawed and against the intent of the vote kick system. Watching a cut scene is not and will never be harassment in its most basic sense. Learn to be a less negative human being. Kthnx!

[Foo01]

If a first-timer makes it to Castrum or Praetorium, it is really a good thing, and the 7 other vets should help them celebrate by watching the cut scenes with them. It isn't everyday that you get new player to the game that has stuck thru it and made it that far. And it doesn't help the game, the community, or the vets themselves to make things unpleasant for the first-timer. Because getting that far shows that they have put in the time and effort not to mention the subscription needed to support the game, and driving them away with jerk behavior is counterproductive. I would actually like to see more first-timers because that means the player base population is growing. It would be a sad day when you don't see first-timers come thru when I'm doing duty roulette main scenario.

It is to vet's enlightened self interest that we help the 1st-timer thru there and that it is pleasant, which means the 1st-timer gets to experience the game in its entirety with the cutscenes. In some respects getting to Castrum and Praetorium, is kind of like graduation, but sure can get the paperwork in the mail without any fanfare (a.k.a review the stuff in the inn), but it is not same feeling. Forcing them to skip cutscenes, and being rude about it, and even vote kick abuse so that they can't get thru it, well the vets are doing their damn best to drive the 1st-timers away. And when subscriptions drop, everyone suffers. This is not a solo offline game people.

Look the odd chance like 1 in 20 that you get a 1st-timer. Sure it is 7 other, and maybe watching all the cutscenes will slow it down at most 30 minutes, in the big picture in the worst case it comes to 7x30minutes/20 so roughly 10.5 minutes overall for everyone over period of 20 days (since you can only do DR once a day). You want to tell me a small 10 minute delay for the myth/soldiery reward is worth being complete jerks and possibly driving another player away?

[Lamentations]

Anything else?

As a matter of fact yes, I do have one more question to ask, the one question you haven't answered yet.

If in fact the under-geared, un-experienced, carried noob is "being carried" you don't need him/her in the party to clear the content anyway.

If they don't need to be there, "how are they holding anyone up"?, there is only one way to answer this, which totally invalidates every statement you've made in this thread.

The fact that 7 people took the time to kick the noob (who isn't needed) is the only real holdup you've mentioned.

Instead of just forgetting him, and moving on, you took the time to harass yourselves by making the effort to kick a noob who wasn't needed anyway, sounds like shoveling "air" to me.