Vote Kick abuse really needs to end.

[DragonSlayer45]

Since people want more information on if the player who was kicked was an afker or not, I am happy to oblige.

I can pretty much say, without a doubt, they were not AFKing in the cutscene. We waited inside the ring before entering the duty for about a minute. Before the first boss, the other Tank started it almost immediately upon entry, and the player in question came rushing out of the cutscene to join up. This happened at every point in the entire dungeon from until they were kicked. They only waited (albeit grudgingly) one time throughout the entire run, and we were waiting for less than a minute. And none of the cutscenes in Prae stretch the five minute mark as far as I know. If we were waiting for more than five minutes, then yeah, that signals a red flag that something is up.

They didn't say anything throughout the entire run, nor did they mention they were new. Since they earned that "Mapping the Realm" achievement and their gear wasn't the best even for a new endgame player, it was pretty much obvious at that point that it was their first time. The point where they were kicked was before the second battle with Ultima, and the cutscene preceding that is fairly long. (Maybe about a minute if you rush through all the dialogue but if you do that, you might as well skip...)

Anyways, my main concern is not the cutscenes. It was that a new player was unfairly kicked from a dungeon when they had done nothing wrong. Watching a cutscene, as far as I know, does not count as AFK/Offline/Harassment/Cheating and I already verified above that they were not AFKing. They just wanted to get this dungeon done. Run it how it was meant for new players to run.

This could have happened anywhere else, and if other people I've asked about this very subject are to be believed, it can happen anywhere else and does happen.

[LalaRu]

It may happen it isn't the other Tank rush up. As tank I were waiting someone's CS, but there is always some smart one who engage boss because he doesn't care anyone other than him. I only pray that will happen one day when the CS watching is the other tank, so I can sit down and see all the group wipe and then say the smart one that he deserved that.

[MeiUshu]

the thing with the notion of FFXIV disclining is that nothing guarantees that something is effectively done. No way to be able to see it, as far as you, me, and the rest is aware the report was just there for the sake of it. I have reported abuse on me and others as well, the latest I was kicked from the CT because I used the....return button instead of waiting dead on the floor when visibly there was no way I wuold be ressurected due to carelesness of the players (I was chased by diras, 3 of them, to be exact hitting me like mad and inevitably I died lol although I was on pot duty) . I was asked why I did use the return button, I answered, they didnt like the answer they kicked me out...

Mind you, what do you expect when you allow *children* to have access to something that visibly their maturity level doesnt allow them to exercice, with the due decorum, the possibility to kick people from a game ?...there is nothing to expect other then abuse, unless real sanctions are applied and that, I am afraid, isnt something any decent game programers would do, sanction against paying members ? that is not conceivable and requires manpower to check all that, manpower costs money, how do you all believe that something is still being done ? I report but I have no hopes at all that something is being done...mostly because there is no return although you would or could be the first victim of it and you perfectly know who were the culprits that banned you in the first place, right ? so where is the ...secret about it ?

The lack of education and respect seem to be the main problems..but that is inherent to human nature some were educated others werent or forgot about it, internet anonimity allows that, it is often referred as diversity.

Mei

[VesperValveto]

So... let's try and work this out... You join a Roulette (which is to help other players complete a duty) for Main Scenario (which is for the main storyline quests), who do you think you're supposed to be helping here...? I don't care if 7/8 of the players in that duty are in full high allagan with high allagan weapons, if there is someone there who wants to watch the cutscenes, then you let them watch the cutscenes... This isn't for YOU, you're not doing this for YOU, you're doing it for THEM, and being rewarded for helping THEM.

Incorrect; My reasons for going in there are irrelevant. if 7/8 players in the duty don't want to be held up by someone who is watching CSs, then they can vote to kick. It's as simple as that. Nobody is more important than anybody else in this game that we play, therefor majority rules.

[Cap75]

Incorrect; My reasons for going in there are irrelevant. if 7/8 players in the duty don't want to be held up by someone who is watching CSs, then they can vote to kick. It's as simple as that. Nobody is more important than anybody else in this game that we play, therefor majority rules.

Actually, you're incorrect, and kicking someone for watching CSs is abuse and a bannable offense. There is no "majority rules" when it comes to kicking. There's a small set of reasons you can legitimately kick someone for and playing the game as it's intended certainly isn't one of them.

[MirielleLavandre]

Incorrect; My reasons for going in there are irrelevant. if 7/8 players in the duty don't want to be held up by someone who is watching CSs, then they can vote to kick.

This is getting ridiculous - join a DF and if you ever get a new player from Leviathan, tell him/her that since you're a tank and have 6 others who will be 'harassed' by their watching cutscenes they better not or they are kicked. If they ever 'afk' by watching the CS and therefore 'harass' you -- please initiate a vote kick on them and let us know when/if you ever get back from your ban. Let us also know their name so I can gladly take the place of you and tank it for them (hence the Leviathan). As the initiator, you will bear the brunt of the report - oh, and be sure to tell the 'newbie' to go ahead and report you...That will test your 'it is okay to kick' theory out pretty well, I think.

Edit: Meh - I just checked the lodestone - you joined the forums in april and your PLD is your only 50...I just...wow.

[Ghishlain]

Edit: Meh - I just checked the lodestone - you joined the forums in april and your PLD is your only 50...I just...wow.

He's just a troll or a self-righteous Roeg giving all other Roegs a bad name. Leave the drivel alone and he'll eventually disappear into obscurity when he gets bored of not getting any responses.

[Merle]

Exactly, is the kind of player who will like to make/join a troll party and do whatever he wants because... hey, we're majority

[Grizzlebeard]

It is pretty much the only answer that make any sense, and it DOES make a LOT of sense.

It makes zero sense. Other than the specific Low Level/Guildhest duties all the other Roulettes have a level 50 requirement. How is that helping new players? Additionally High Level and Expert Duty Roulettes with their iLevel requirement are for new players? Your logic is completely flawed in this regard.

On the subject of the Storyline Roulettes, while they are no doubt there as an assistance to players who aren't in LS's/FC's or have a sufficient Friend's List they are also a huge draw for long-term players due to their Myth reward vs effort ratio. Equally, stating, "If you want Myth go farm them elsewhere!" as a response is delusional considering S-E clearly are aware people wouldn't run these instances unless they dangled a significant carrot there in the first place.

[Tiggy]

You're all wrong. Learn to be civil to one another and stop forcing people to play like you. If someone joins the party and they are new for god sake try to help them like a decent person. If everyone joined and no one is new then by all means do a speed run and vote out the person who just doesn't want to do it slowly. You ALL need to learn to use some context and make the best decision so that you aren't a complete A-hole to the other players. Treat others as you would want to be treated yourself in their situation, stop being completely selfish when you join a party with 7 other people, and never forget that you were a newbie once too. All of this BS could be completely avoided if people would just stop being dbags.