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    Quote Originally Posted by bokchoykn View Post
    -The second thing thing WoW had over FFXI was character customization.
    Wanna stop you there. WoW had the illusion of customization. Nothing more. Maybe back in vanilla where everything was like the wild wild west, maybe. But by Lich King, every spec was the same for every player, and if you deviated from the same 0/31/12 (I don't remember the numbers. Been a while since I played WoW) you were useless to everybody, a troll, and a bad undeserving of life itself. Same can be said about enchants, gems and glyphs.

    Now, FFXIV is no better. But at least it doesn't lie to you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheUltimate3 View Post
    Wanna stop you there. WoW had the illusion of customization. Nothing more. Maybe back in vanilla where everything was like the wild wild west, maybe. But by Lich King, every spec was the same for every player, and if you deviated from the same 0/31/12 (I don't remember the numbers. Been a while since I played WoW) you were useless to everybody, a troll, and a bad undeserving of life itself. Same can be said about enchants, gems and glyphs.

    Now, FFXIV is no better. But at least it doesn't lie to you.
    It's changed, it's not that anymore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KoujiMoreno View Post
    It's changed, it's not that anymore.
    Barely. What is it, every 5 levels or so you are able to pick a new perk, but they are basically clearly favoring one of your three specs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheUltimate3 View Post
    Barely. What is it, every 5 levels or so you are able to pick a new perk, but they are basically clearly favoring one of your three specs.
    Something like that, except the abilities are useful in certain situations, of course there were optimal perks that were useful most of the time, but you could use any and it wasn't a huge deal. But this is all when I stopped playing. It could have changed again. But honestly it doesn't matter, people will jump on the hate train, it's inevitable. /shrug
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheUltimate3 View Post
    Wanna stop you there. WoW had the illusion of customization. Nothing more. Maybe back in vanilla where everything was like the wild wild west, maybe. But by Lich King, every spec was the same for every player, and if you deviated from the same 0/31/12 (I don't remember the numbers. Been a while since I played WoW) you were useless to everybody, a troll, and a bad undeserving of life itself. Same can be said about enchants, gems and glyphs.

    Now, FFXIV is no better. But at least it doesn't lie to you.
    There are cookie cutter builds. I agree. But when I played in BC (Top Tier raiding guild. World first etc etc...) Our group had Shadow Priests and Holy Priests. We had Feral Druids and Resto Druids. Backstab Rogues and Sinister Strike Rogues. Destruction Locks and Affliction Locks.

    In WoW, every Warrior is the same as every other Warrior. Every White Mage is the same as every other White Mage. The only difference is gear and skill.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bokchoykn View Post
    But when I played in BC (Top Tier raiding guild. World first etc etc...)
    Everybody, to a person, that I have ever talked to that played WoW has claimed that they were in a "top raiding guild" with a bunch of world firsts.

    I think you are not being truthful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eekiki View Post
    Everybody, to a person, that I have ever talked to that played WoW has claimed that they were in a "top raiding guild" with a bunch of world firsts.

    I think you are not being truthful.
    It was a guild called Death Wish on Cho'gall. We got one World First and many World Top 10

    http://www.wowwiki.com/Guild_progression_(TBC)/TKE
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    Last edited by bokchoykn; 05-10-2014 at 04:41 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bokchoykn View Post
    There are cookie cutter builds. I agree. But when I played in BC (Top Tier raiding guild. World first etc etc...) Our group had Shadow Priests and Holy Priests. We had Feral Druids and Resto Druids. Backstab Rogues and Sinister Strike Rogues. Destruction Locks and Affliction Locks.

    In WoW, every Warrior is the same as every other Warrior. Every White Mage is the same as every other White Mage. The only difference is gear and skill.
    Well when they add second jobs to each class like arcanist this will be a non issue I'm thinking
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