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  1. #651
    Player
    Nymri's Avatar
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    Nymri Chitra
    World
    Cerberus
    Main Class
    Conjurer Lv 50
    Went into AK the other day, had a look at the dps, the blm has a level 41 weapon, the drg at least has their i55 weapon, but the rest of the gear was trash, both admit their new. Thought to myself, this'll be interesting, as we get to the first boss and the tank rushes straight in while I'm typing an explanation of what to do, only get time to write stay out of aoe and kill adds before I need to heal. End up having to solo all the gloum adds myself, but not too hard with my gear. We carry on, and get to the wall, this time the tank listens to me and waits. I know he's gonna go in any second, and advise our dps to just shadow me and the tank. The dps get hit by every set of goo after ignoring my advice completely, so I don't get any dps off myself. Second set of repel goes off, we're not even 1/3 through the boss's hp bar, so I make an emergency decision, DS medica II, and the dps are on their own as I CS and burn the boss. Both dps go down but I managed to burn down the wall just before the final repel that would have crushed us. Have a proper look at the dps, both are about i45. Tell em their gonna have a bad time if they go out of their depth on gear, and we go to the final boss. Again, explaine about catastroph and the pulsers and adds, and we start. Ended up soloing the the first add, moving through the second add when I get the first pulser, run away and drop it in a safe spot, watch the blm drop it on the tank ; ;. Panic DS SC Medica II, both dps go down due to non existant hp pools, ended up burning the boss on my own. Get the final hit in with both me and the tank on our last 100 hp, 3 adds waleing on me, and the fifth catastroph just about to go off. What a rush!
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  2. #652
    Player
    File2ish's Avatar
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    Gridania
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    Character
    Olwen Mercier
    World
    Coeurl
    Main Class
    Red Mage Lv 90
    On my alt in a Bray HM run a couple weeks back I got a very well geared tank and DPS group. I was ilvl 56 or so (mostly AF1 and 48/49 accessories with the CT head and crafted i70 weapon). Tank does the speed run tactic pulling mobs for two pulls. I was able to keep him alive spamming Cure II and burning SoS. Asked if we could slow down since I was way undergeared for a speed run, tank said I was doing fine and pressed on.

    Second pull I didn't have half my MP back and SoS was still on cooldown. Barely managed keep him up. Boss was no issue. The part where you need to free the gobbies was a problem, I was barely keeping the tank alive while being bombarded by the gliders. DPS were able to kill at least half of the enemies before I bit the dust (got benediction onto the tank right before I died), followed by the tank's death. Everyone says it's alright about the wipe and goes on (phew).

    Again another big pull after the 2nd boss. Barely managed to keep the tank alive (again). We ultimately won with little issue, but it was rough for the undergeared heals lol.
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    Last edited by File2ish; 05-06-2014 at 05:04 PM.

  3. #653
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    Mirakumi's Avatar
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    Character
    Lady Zelda
    World
    Leviathan
    Main Class
    Archer Lv 92
    I have a healing horror story for you guys. Was in Brayflox Hard and the SCH was cross class healing, with CURE. Tank kept dying and this person has animus weapon I ask them, "why using cure? it's weaker because your cross classing it - why not use psychic? s/p"

    Tank gets all apeshit MAD and told me "to back off. Chill out its just on her bar man."

    I tell them "Well if its a mistake, I understand but it shouldn't even be on her bar to begin with." Brd agrees.

    Sch then finally talks, "You've never played sch don't tell me what to do." (I'm on my alt monk.) So I reply, "Yes I do. You should pull it off your bar so you don't make the mistake."

    Tank tells me to, "CHILL OUT MAN." in caps. lol. I tell him, "I am just explaining."
    Next fight tank dies again, sch still cure spamming.

    I say, "She's still cure spamming." Tank said, "Let her be bro."

    I said, "Okay if you want to teach her the wrong thing at 50, that's on you bro. I don't know but when she gets into groups with pug tanks, those people wont be as pleasant as me. So GL with that."

    They stay silent for rest of the run. Sch is healing with psychic and we stop wiping on first trash/ beat dungeon.

    Also I think brd gave me a commedation, thanks man I returned the favor.
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    Last edited by Mirakumi; 05-07-2014 at 10:06 PM.

  4. #654
    Player
    Ouria's Avatar
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    Limsa Lominsa
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    Character
    Ouria Uldar
    World
    Ragnarok
    Main Class
    Arcanist Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Mirakumi View Post
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    I don´t really see using "Cure" being such a problem. Beside the animation, they are practically they same ability with the same potency(400). There is no trait that makes the "Physic" superior. Although I do agree that it is a waste to spend a cross-class slot on "Cure".
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  5. #655
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    Ignitius's Avatar
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    Gridania
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    Character
    Ignitius Dragonhart
    World
    Ragnarok
    Main Class
    Conjurer Lv 50
    Brayflox HM. FC friend and I join a PF that has ilvl80 dps, hoping for a more relaxed run. He's tanking and I'm healing. I've never had much issue, except for the gliders until I discovered the stacking method. However dps was too slow and we wiped twice on the glider pull, due to me going oom from the cure 3 spam so tank and I can stay alive. DPS are standing too far away for cure3 to work on them.

    Then they proceed to tell me I'm a bad healer since I'm not AoE healing. Wut?
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  6. #656
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    ColorOfSakura's Avatar
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    Gridania
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    Character
    Aerik Tirel
    World
    Mateus
    Main Class
    White Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Mirakumi View Post
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    I want to point out here: Cure and Physick have the same healing potency (400). So aside from a different animation, I actually don't know why it really matters that they were using it? It will heal for the same regardless. I tried this with my Level 50 WHM and both of them cured for exactly the same average amount. Physick doesn't get any sort of Procs as a Scholar (unlike Cure does for a White Mage.) Maybe they just liked the animation better.

    Honestly, you probably just wiped because the Scholar was getting used to damage outputs and stuff (because the trash in Brayflox HM can hit hard and fast and takes some adjusting as a healer, especially if the group is trying to SR and large mobs are being pulled.) Remember - a Scholars most powerful heal aside from Lustrate is Physick. They don't get a 600 heal Potency spell like White Mages do with Cure II. And if the Tank was taking a ton of damage and not popping cooldowns properly, even Eos might not be able to keep up with that.

    I think it's less of a case of "Bad healer" and more of a case of "Healer attempting to figure out the best way to heal in that dungeon." You getting onto them also might not have helped and possibly shaken their confidence a little.
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  7. #657
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    Roll's Avatar
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    Character
    Roland Starwind
    World
    Adamantoise
    Main Class
    White Mage Lv 70
    This happened just yesterday:
    Queued up for Hard Mode Roulette and got AK.
    A few mobs later I was wondering why we were taking awhile to kill mobs even with my Holy spam.
    I thought the Summoner was in Battlemage glamour but he was in Battlemage gear... lvl 34 gear... in a lvl 50 dungeon...
    I asked him nicely "Hey (Name of Summoner), did you ever get your AF body? ^^;"
    The Summoner said "lol yes but I left it in my safe and gave my retainer my crimson gear"
    /facepalm
    The party was like w...t...f...
    We didn't kick him but it was pretty unbelievable that someone would do that...
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  8. #658
    Player
    ColorOfSakura's Avatar
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    Character
    Aerik Tirel
    World
    Mateus
    Main Class
    White Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Roll View Post
    WTF
    That SMN had to be a troll. No one could be that dense, I refuse to believe it. LOL.
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  9. #659
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    stuscott's Avatar
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    Gridania
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    Character
    Aedan Glassthorn
    World
    Coeurl
    Main Class
    Bard Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by ColorOfSakura View Post
    They don't get a 600 heal Potency spell like White Mages do with Cure II.
    Technically, they do as Adlo is 300 potency with a 300 potency shield that doubles if they crit - so 600 potency with a potential for 900 potency.
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  10. #660
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    lxSch's Avatar
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    Character
    Alex Pokute
    World
    Lich
    Main Class
    Arcanist Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Andres_Lonegrief View Post
    Lately every Brayflox HM can turn into a healing horror story. I have never had problems with speed runs but after the first boss if tank pulls all the illuminati gliders of the area, chances are that they will start attacking me interrupting my healing or instant killing me and the little self esteem I had treasured untill that moment.

    I'm full AF ilvl90 so higher than the lvl required. I don't think i'm pulling aggro but in this case i'm really clueless as to what I should/shouldn't do.
    Sacred Coil, Eye4eye, Succor and Lustrate - i had no idea people can struggle with gliders. Pld can also cover you.
    Quote Originally Posted by ColorOfSakura View Post
    Remember - a Scholars most powerful heal aside from Lustrate is Physick. They don't get a 600 heal Potency spell like White Mages do with Cure II. And if the Tank was taking a ton of damage and not popping cooldowns properly, even Eos might not be able to keep up with that.
    Cure2 is 650 potency, Adloquium is 600 potency with a 25% chance of 1350 potency. But what that sch really needed is to macro Cure with Embrace and it would be a viable endgame build.
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