Vote Kick abuse really needs to end.

[Mellowlicious]

While such events are sad, removing vote kick is a terrible idea. For every time I see or hear about vote kick abuse, I see another case where it's too hard to vote kick someone who's simply being an ass or a detriment to the team. Without vote kick it's impossible to kick or punish these people so you can actually clear the content.

It's a necessary evil, because the game would be worse off without a vote kick feature.

[Ashaltiriak]

While I agree votekicking is way over the top, the attitude of some of the cutscene watchers in this topic is simply awful.

CM/Praetorium could never be run by newbies if the Main Story Duty Roulette wasn't there, and experienced players hopping in for a quick Myth boost. In the end, SE is to blame for being lazy and placing mediocre cutscenes in story dungeons.

"as originally intended" wtf, really? Why can they be skipped then?

[Mellowlicious]

CM/Praetorium could never be run by newbies if the Main Story Duty Roulette wasn't there, and experienced players hopping in for a quick Myth boost. In the end, SE is to blame for being lazy and placing mediocre cutscenes in story dungeons.

Agreed, while the cutscenes are moderately fun to watch, they really spoil the fun for veteran players. I just ignore the roulette because it's absolutely no fun. Though I understand that the scenarios weren't originally built around having veteran players help out, this is the current situation and it's a bad move by SE.

[Grizzlebeard]

If seven other people want to clear a dungeon they're sick of seeing as fast as possible then I'd let the guy watch his cutscenes if he's adamant about it but I'd merrily press on and kill regardless. S-E gave the players the ability to watch the cutscenes in their inns and ignoring the desires of the majority of the people making it possible for you to clear the dungeon is a bit of a selfish stance. I wouldn't vote kick the cutscene watcher though but I would happily kick a tank or healer white-knighting and holding the rest of the run up.

[Rynia]

I wouldn't vote kick the cutscene watcher though but I would happily kick a tank or healer white-knighting and holding the rest of the run up.

I thought I'd seen it all, but this ...
So actually wanting to be a decent human being is "white-knighting" now? >.>

Tell you what. If you don't want to risk having to wait for newbies, don't do Main Scenario roulette. You can get that myth faster in Brayflox anyway.

[Grizzlebeard]

I thought I'd seen it all, but this ...
So actually wanting to be a decent human being is "white-knighting" now? >.>

How is it anything but? You're ignoring the desires of five other people in favour of one person who chooses to watch the cutscenes and hold seven other people up. As a tank or healer you're abusing your key role to force those other five people to wait. That is the definition of harassment right there.

[Mellowlicious]

I wouldn't vote kick the cutscene watcher though but I would happily kick a tank or healer white-knighting and holding the rest of the run up.

I think that most people will agree that you can run both scenarios perfectly with 7 people and you lose nothing by not being in the fights (as you can run the scenario an unlimited amount of times afterwards), so there's really no reason for someone to hold up the group by waiting, yeah.

When I did the scenarios for the first time the group just rushed forth, and I could enjoy a half-hour long movie with sometimes walking towards the next movie. I didn't mind at all and was glad they torment themselves by waiting for me.

[Diavolo]

aren't you doing the same thing?

if people don't wanna wait then why should they have to wait

I never said anyone had to wait on me. Just don't get mad at me if you choose to run ahead whilst I'm in the cutscene and things don't go as planned. Doesn't bug me.

[Grizzlebeard]

When I did the scenarios for the first time the group just rushed forth, and I could enjoy a half-hour long movie with sometimes walking towards the next movie. I didn't mind at all and was glad they torment themselves by waiting for me.

Same happened with me. I created my character on a Legacy server to be with friends from FFXI who'd played this game since 1.0. They strong-armed me through all the alliance fights while I slowly chugged along on my PS3 at the time. I felt guilty because the cutscenes took so long to even skip over on that platform but once I discovered I could watch them in my inn I urged them to plow on ahead and lay waste to everything.

I've done all those zones dozens of times since and if it's with friends I'll happily let them watch the cutscenes and have no problem waiting for them but where the roulette is concerned I'm not so inclined to wait while they watch and certainly wouldn't force other people to wait if I was on my Paladin or White Mage.

[TeganLaron]

Other than stronger and more consistently frequent punishments for this kind of behaviour, I'm really not sure what else there is that can be done. Removing the vote kick is simply not an option. Yes, it does a lot of bad. But the good definitely outweighs it in my opinion. I've been kicked a few times for no justifiable reason and it really sucks and makes you feel awful. But I can think of 2-3 times as many examples, maybe more, when the vote kick feature has come to the rescue to help us replace someone who was flat out going to cause the run to be a failure (intentionally I'd like to add.)